Can't make a full premade for Crystal Tower...

[Invz]

I wont play CT if I am forced to play with anyone other than a full 24 man from my FC. I refuse to do endgame content with random people and this is why. I dont trust the skills of random people. I have played with many people from my FC since 1.0 release. I trust them and know their skills. Secondly, I won't do endgame content with people I can't invite to mumble, vent, TS. I dont want to make my mumble server public. Thirdly, I dont want to share loot drops with random people. Playing the dungeon with 16 random people from other servers opens the door to much griefing, trolling, ninja looting.

[Thriar]

I wont play CT if I am forced to play with anyone other than a full 24 man from my FC. I refuse to do endgame content with random people and this is why. I dont trust the skills of random people. I have played with many people from my FC since 1.0 release. I trust them and know their skills. Secondly, I won't do endgame content with people I can't invite to mumble, vent, TS. I dont want to make my mumble server public. Thirdly, I dont want to share loot drops with random people. Playing the dungeon with 16 random people from other servers opens the door to much griefing, trolling, ninja looting.

I wouldn't worry about the difficulty of CT being so hard a DF group couldn't kill it in one session. Loot is per party, so you can still make a pre-made of 8 and sort your loot however you want. But that doesn't make up for the fact you can't bring in a pre-made of 24 people like you said and get more loot for your FC in a more productive manor.

[Taika]

What many people don't seem to get is CT is the only available endgame content for those who are unable to do Coil for one reason or another (in other words, only real endgame content for more casual players). These people have nothing to do with their FC communities other than cap their tomes every week and do the occasional relic.

What I expected CT to be was content all our FC members would do. Something that wouldn't require the gear and skill and commitment level Coil does and something that would bring both Coil runners and fresh relic (or even pre-relic) members together. A FC event these members could take part in. These people have already waited for a long time to have any casual endgame raiding content they could do with the FC. Now they get the message they'll be waiting for months more.

[Naunet]

What I expected CT to be was content all our FC members would do. Something that wouldn't require the gear and skill and commitment level Coil does and something that would bring both Coil runners and fresh relic (or even pre-relic) members together. A FC event these members could take part in. These people have already waited for a long time to have any casual endgame raiding content they could do with the FC. Now they get the message they'll be waiting for months more.

^This, right here. It's beyond disappointing with this game. :\

I'm not sure why they *should* make Duty Roulette work with friends. It's a great tool to provide incentive to play and help out random strangers. You don't *NEED* to do the duty roulette to get your weekly myth cap. You can still SR WP with your friends if you like that route. But this gets you helping out others that may need help finding groups for story battles or even just normal dungeon runs.

So what if you don't need it? Why should one option of content be blocked off from you if you want to play with friends? It shouldn't. This is an MMO. We should not be forced to solo queue for content in an MMO. And yes, the duty roulette is in and of itself content, as it is a new means of obtaining end game tokens. You don't get tokens by doing guildhests or lower level dungeons with your friends, therefore content is blocked from us.

[Sylve]

I wont play CT if I am forced to play with anyone other than a full 24 man from my FC. I refuse to do endgame content with random people and this is why. I dont trust the skills of random people. I have played with many people from my FC since 1.0 release. I trust them and know their skills. Secondly, I won't do endgame content with people I can't invite to mumble, vent, TS. I dont want to make my mumble server public. Thirdly, I dont want to share loot drops with random people. Playing the dungeon with 16 random people from other servers opens the door to much griefing, trolling, ninja looting.

Each 8 player group has its own personal loot ...

So you don't like playing with people outside your little circle? Cool. Thats your choice. Theres people who like playing with random people. I'm one of them, and im sure im not alone.

So far, I have never been griefed in in a dungeon or any of the Primals. Maybe im just lucky like that. But groups i end up in are always calm and fun.

Why don't you give an example of 'griefing' that would occur in the Tower?

[Invz]

Why don't you give an example of 'griefing' that would occur in the Tower?

The same type of stuff that happens currently in the duty finder. People AFK, people lose fights on purpose, people expect to be carried, people use abusive language towards other players because there are no repercussions for it. These are the reasons why I wont use the duty finder now. I have no problem with the dungeon being available on the duty finder, but if I am forced to party with randoms instead of creating premades then I wont do the content.

[Sylve]

The same type of stuff that happens currently in the duty finder. People AFK, people lose fights on purpose, people expect to be carried, people use abusive language towards other players because there are no repercussions for it. These are the reasons why I wont use the duty finder now. I have no problem with the dungeon being available on the duty finder, but if I am forced to party with randoms instead of creating premades then I wont do the content.

Heh.
AFK= Vote kick (Confirmed in letter coming in 2.1)
Trolling/Griefing/Douchebag = Welp, that guy is on the same server as 7 other people in his group. Guess who just got blacklisted by potentially 7 different FCs if the Premade containing such a stupid player was a shoutcraft group.
The option to report those players exists, as they're on your own server.

Try again?

[Invz]

Heh.
AFK= Vote kick (Confirmed in letter coming in 2.1)
Trolling/Griefing/Douchebag = Welp, that guy is on the same server as 7 other people in his group. Guess who just got blacklisted by potentially 7 different FCs if the Premade containing such a stupid player was a shoutcraft group.
The option to report those players exists, as they're on your own server.

Try again?

My point is still valid. I dont care if they add a votekick, my time was still wasted. I dont care if a jerk's reputation is harmed on his own server, my time was still wasted by even having to play with him in the first place. That is why I choose to form premades instead of using the duty finder. If SE takes away my right to choose to play with randoms or form my own group, then I will just choose to not play the content.

[Sylve]

My point is still valid. I dont care if they add a votekick, my time was still wasted. I dont care if a jerk's reputation is harmed on his own server, my time was still wasted by even having to play with him in the first place. That is why I choose to form premades instead of using the duty finder. If SE takes away my right to choose to play with randoms or form my own group, then I will just choose to not play the content.

So ... Don't?
They're giving us content to play. They're not parachuting into your room and forcing you to play it.
If you don't like it .. don't do it, and wait for the addition of 24 man premades. Problem solved.
Hurray for choices!

[Umfufu]

Heh.
AFK= Vote kick (Confirmed in letter coming in 2.1)
Trolling/Griefing/Douchebag = Welp, that guy is on the same server as 7 other people in his group. Guess who just got blacklisted by potentially 7 different FCs if the Premade containing such a stupid player was a shoutcraft group.
The option to report those players exists, as they're on your own server.

Try again?

I would have to ask, how will a kick work out when the DF requires a premade of 8 to queue. Would the entire group get kicked? Would they have to know someone and invite or will it be restricted as primals are now?