WAR Issues left unaddressed.

[Enjin]

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As a 50 PLD and WAR a response to your response:
-shield swipe is TP positive - and it's good for snap aggro mid combo
-Spirits Within is off the GCD -- warrior has no silence at all
-Not even sure why you brought up Rez for cross class - we get it your cross class sucks
-Cover is one of the best PLD skills. I use it constantly. It's huge on Turn 4 and can even help out your counterpart tank when healers are moving for rot.
-Flash doesn't give us blind. We only take it because we're constantly TP starved and it's something. Blind WAY better on pally.
-I agree, but give it to the right jobs, not a pet. It does not balance a game when you have to bring at least 1 PLD. You can't really run coil with double WAR without double BRD.

[Kal-El]

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Also a 50 PLD and WAR. I'm not going to slate your argument and I'm just looking for discussion here
-Never needed shield swipe for aggro? Maybe that's just me but I +1'd my Curtana as soon as.
-I mentioned WAR off GCD for stun because it's a huge bonus. Silence again is a bonus for having a PLD. I'm *assuming* after the changes WAR will have its uses perks that PLD will be lacking. Should every class have a silence then? Might make things a bit boring. But that's just my opinion.
-I brought up Rez because the OP did. He mentioned that as a bonus for PLD. Which it really isn't.
-I rarely use Cover to be fair but it has come in very handy that's true. Haven't done turn 4 yet so you'd have more knowledge with that. But holmgang now does basically the same thing after 2.1 plus adds a *no death* bonus [could still be very tricky for healers but still handy!]
-Blind diminishing return is pretty crap and now that overpower increases even more enmity combined with Steel Cyclone enmity increase you don't really need flash
-I think they're aiming to bring 1 WAR and 1 PLD. Rather than double anything. I haven't seen the BRD patch notes yet but I do hope something has changed a bit!

[mythicrose]

I haven't seen the BRD patch notes yet but I do hope something has changed a bit!

If the tank forums are any indication of people's reactions, you'll know when the BRD patch notes hits. The coastlines along many continents are going to shift 25 miles inland, the island nations in the Pacific will no longer exist, and even the entirety of Japan may drown from the salty tears that will swell the oceans.

[Enjin]

Also a 50 PLD and WAR. I'm not going to slate your argument and I'm just looking for discussion here
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• Tab shield swipe. It's also more TP efficient. I have +1 curtana. Getting snap aggro on turn 4 saves lives. If I can stun an add by breaking stoneskin it saves healers. I have since switched to WAR solely for Turn 4.
• You can't stun any important boss abilities in coil, you have to silence. Not having a silence on the tank limits group comp options, hence the double WAR comment.
• The actual bonus is stoneskin - but yeah we agree on rez being pointless.
• Holmgang will not allow you to bypass stacks like HG does.
• WARs don't get the additional blind on blind. DR has nothing to do with it, there's nothing to DR. Flash still has a place as you can't overpower behind you.

[Kitru]

[*]Tab shield swipe. It's also more TP efficient. I have +1 curtana. Getting snap aggro on turn 4 saves lives. If I can stun an add by breaking stoneskin it saves healers. I have since switched to WAR solely for Turn 4.

WAR *sucks* on T4, especially on the knights/soldiers, and not just because of the rubbish CD suite we've got right now. You do not get any of the secondary benefits of your attacks (like Wrath stacks, Maim's buff, Storm's Eye's debuff) when an attack is fully absorbed by a shield so any attack that you use on the soldier is going to be completely and utterly wasted. I *really* hope it's something that they fix eventually.

[Enjin]

WAR *sucks* on T4, especially on the knights/soldiers, and not just because of the rubbish CD suite we've got right now. You do not get any of the secondary benefits of your attacks (like Wrath stacks, Maim's buff, Storm's Eye's debuff) when an attack is fully absorbed by a shield so any attack that you use on the soldier is going to be completely and utterly wasted. I *really* hope it's something that they fix eventually.

No one in my BC linkshell will believe you if you tell them that. I can break the shield with my damage and cause it to stun before the DPS gets to it, then they blow it up. If a soldier / knight is still up when a juggnernaut pops I can kill it while the DPS switches. My PLD outgears my warrior yet for our group my warrior is superior on turn 4. My group prefers my warrior on Turn 4. I also always have full wrath stacks when I need them -- wrath management is easy.

[Exstal]

No one in my BC linkshell will believe you if you tell them that. I can break the shield with my damage and cause it to stun before the DPS gets to it, then they blow it up. If a soldier / knight is still up when a juggnernaut pops I can kill it while the DPS switches. My PLD outgears my warrior yet for our group my warrior is superior on turn 4. My group prefers my warrior on Turn 4. I also always have full wrath stacks when I need them -- wrath management is easy.

I'd have to see this to believe it. This is something I can't even really fathom.

[Enjin]

I'd have to see this to believe it. This is something I can't even really fathom.

I did it without +1 bravura and avg of ilev 70 gear. I think I still have Fraps around here to record it. I'm can at least stream it next week.

[Paikis]

I'd have to see this to believe it. This is something I can't even really fathom.

It's fairly easy. You can just spam overpower and do it, or you can do it even faster if you're cycling BB combos (which you should be)

[Necaust]

Paladins can Flash to AOE Blind. Its good for trash. I'd argue for Overpower to blind but that's just boring. Where's the Steel Cyclone stun?