Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Wizhard]

Can someone explain to me if and where I'm wrong? Thanks and keep the discussion going, it's informative

I am concerned about the actual hard content, namely twintania, on which the new warrior will be flat out better than a paladin with a ~20 sec cd 20% mitigation buff.

[Estray]

You mean like how the paladin has been flat out better on almost everything else so far?

[Wizhard]

You mean like how the paladin has been flat out better on almost everything else so far?

And now making the paladins inferior is fine because of that? I am not against these changes, warriors need a serious buff, but then SE also needs to change the paladins so they wont lag behind now.

[Estray]

And now making the paladins inferior is fine because of that? I am not against these changes, warriors need a serious buff, but then SE also needs to change the paladins so they wont lag behind now.

They aren't going to lag behind. I looked over the skill changes, and even with the buffs warrior is going to be only be on par with paladin. Warriors are going to stay skill based, with paladins having access to more on demand mitigation. Just because paladins aren't first pick automatically doesn't mean they're a worse choice. It'll depend on the fights. You can't say with the skill changes that warriors will be able to do speed runs of Wanderer's Palace as quickly as paladins.

[Wizhard]

They aren't going to lag behind. I looked over the skill changes, and even with the buffs warrior is going to be only be on par with paladin. Warriors are going to stay skill based, with paladins having access to more on demand mitigation. Just because paladins aren't first pick automatically doesn't mean they're a worse choice. It'll depend on the fights. You can't say with the skill changes that warriors will be able to do speed runs of Wanderer's Palace as quickly as paladins.

Wanderer's Palace? Really? o_0
Im talking about twintania here. About how a warrior will now be able to mitigate EVERY SINGLE Death Sentence while paladin cannot.

[ZDamned]

Wanderer's Palace? Really? o_0
Im talking about twintania here. About how a warrior will now be able to mitigate EVERY SINGLE Death Sentence while paladin cannot.

You mean how your able to mitigate every attack, and for 6 seconds we can be on par with your Shield Oath? Seriously, STFU, and uninstall. Your not getting worse, were just getting better. It's so disgusting that people like you want there to be a "Master Race" of tanks. News flash, Warriors are here, and are tanks too, so stop pouting, and deal with it, or leave.

Paladins can tank Twintania just fine as it is now, Just because warriors will be able to mitigate on par with a Paladin's CONSTANT mitigation for 6 seconds at a time doesn't make Paladins Trash! Paladins are STILL BETTER!

[Wizhard]

You mean how your able to mitigate every attack, and for 6 seconds we can be on par with your Shield Oath? Seriously, STFU, and uninstall. Your not getting worse, were just getting better. It's so disgusting that people like you want there to be a "Master Race" of tanks. News flash, Warriors are here, and are tanks too, so stop pouting, and deal with it, or leave.

Paladins can tank Twintania just fine as it is now, Just because warriors will be able to mitigate on par with a Paladin's CONSTANT mitigation for 6 seconds at a time doesn't make Paladins Trash! Paladins are STILL BETTER!

Okay then. Give us Defiance.

[Hanabira]

Wanderer's Palace? Really? o_0
Im talking about twintania here. About how a warrior will now be able to mitigate EVERY SINGLE Death Sentence while paladin cannot.

considering twintania has been solo tanked by a pld, i dont think it matters that you cant mitigate every one.

[CrashOkami]

I am concerned about the actual hard content, namely twintania, on which the new warrior will be flat out better than a paladin with a ~20 sec cd 20% mitigation buff.

While that's true given the current information, I don't believe "balancing the classes" means "giving power to one class". Changes to the Paladin and other classes are most likely coming together with the Warrior changes. If not, I can see a problem rising with constant patches that change this and that to all classes, all the time.

[Estray]

I don't believe "balancing the classes" means "giving power to one class"

For how one-sided things have been, yeah. WAR only goes to stuff if you don't have PLD available, or you're with people that don't mind. I play both, and it's annoying that even though I'm better on WAR, and have better gear, I'm still less useful compared to PLD. Their only other option would be to nerf PLD, which would make content harder and make everyone angry, on top of PLD's throwing fits because their class isn't as good. Half this thread is PLD's saying how stupid it is that WAR is on par with them now. I'll be happy when I don't get written off automatically as a bad choice for groups because I'm a WAR. How often do you think WAR is in Twintania? It's a whole lot of PLD complaints summing up to "BUT I'M THE MAIN TANK. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS. NOBODY ELSE ALLOWED."