(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Farmer]

I have both BLM and SMN leveled up, and yes there is a huge differance between the two, just know that each job has its strong points and its weaknesses, why must every job have the same of everything?

I like diveristy, the ability to have certain jobs for certain situations stronger then other jobs. After all, we can be any job, why box ourselfs into one job forever?

I think the dev said it perfect when he said we have differant jobs for differant situations, and I applaud that kind of thinking. Thumbs up to Camates reply to this thread.

[etcxxx]

Was wondering if I could get some feedback on my equipment for my SMN. Here's the link to my lodestone: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2163958/

What other materia can I add to my choker or bracelet that could help me out? I'd like to cap accuracy and since my coil group hasn't downed turn 4 yet, I'm not really expecting a chance at the pants this week at least. I got "lucky" and had the Allagan chest and gloves drop, so I had an astral choker and bracelet made in order to make up the accuracy lost from darklight gloves. Should the myth gloves still be something I get soon or can I add any more accuracy materia to bridge the gap with my accessories (if I can even get any more accuracy on them). Are there other accessories I should replace in order to overmeld? I'm still new to materia melding/caps so I would really love some insight. Thank you!

[Kevee]

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I don't want to say this; but you melded in the wrong order(imo), unless you don't want to use any level IV materia.

What I would personally do for the necklace?
1 Pie IV
2 Might IV
3 Aim III
4 Aim III
5 Quicktongue II
If you really don't want to use any IVs, Do Aim IIIx2->Might IIIx2->Quicktongue II.

Bracelet I'd do:
1 Pie IV
2 Aim III
3 Aim III
4 Eye III
5 Eye III
If you don't want to use any IVs, do Aim IIIx2->Eyex2->Quicktongue II.


This is all assuming you don't need any vit, which it looks like you don't.

[Fire-Dragon-DoL]

Yea but Kevee you aren't thinking outside the box.

What if you have a big brother that wanted to impress you with how pretty a game is? If it weren't for FF7's amazing summons I probably wouldn't have started gaming. And then where would your bestest pal be?

What if you really need to go to the restroom, and didn't want to press start? Summons are great for that.

Also say what you will about FF10's summons but I loved all of them (except ifrit, it even looked ugly and sucked in that game too >.>).

I don't get this guys, we have something like 100 final fantasy games and at least 99 of them have summons as "big damaging monsters", usually game-breaking in some way.
This is the first game where summoner is focused on dots so no, sorry, square does not choose what summoner is, they chosen it ages ago when they made the summoner what is.

[etcxxx]

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Not saying you're wrong, but I've never seen another SMN with piety materia. I'm not having any issues with MP at the moment. I'll take a look regarding your suggestions without those IV piety materia. Thanks.

[Kevee]

Not saying you're wrong, but I've never seen another SMN with piety materia. I'm not having any issues with MP at the moment. I'll take a look regarding your suggestions without those IV piety materia. Thanks.

It's more for the higher natural MP regen than a higher MP bar(SMN has major MP problems unless you use Energy Drain), and the fact there's nothing better to slot anyways. You don't see other SMNs slotting it because they slot Vitality, whether they need it or not.

I don't get this guys, we have something like 100 final fantasy games and at least 99 of them have summons as "big damaging monsters", usually game-breaking in some way.

This is the first game where summoner is focused on dots so no, sorry, square does not choose what summoner is, they chosen it ages ago when they made the summoner what is.

Yeah..

No...

I chuckled at "game-breaking," too. :3

[etcxxx]

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Interesting. Thank you for your insight, I really appreciate it.

[Fire-Dragon-DoL]

It's more for the higher natural MP regen than a higher MP bar(SMN has major MP problems unless you use Energy Drain), and the fact there's nothing better to slot anyways. You don't see other SMNs slotting it because they slot Vitality, whether they need it or not.




Yeah..

No...

I chuckled at "game-breaking," too. :3

Well, they can be not game-breaking but that's only a matter of balance.
Still, in FFVII/FFVIII/FFX they were quite strong till end-end-end-game.

Anyway, the most complaining thing about the summoner is that it feels like the most poorly designed class in the entire game (not balance-wise).
All other classes have deeper gameplay, our is mostly passive and doesn't require a big brain unless like some people you don't even notice that THUNDER costs the same amount of mana as shadow flare, which is an expensive spell. But that's another problem.

Really, Bio II Miasma Bio, fester insta shadowflare and spam ruin till dead.
Woah, so complicated.

My litte cousin can do it, she is 2 years old and I managed to let her dps during dungeon. Lol.

And again, I'm not complaining about DAMAGE/UTILITY/WHATELSE (the summoner is really strong from that point of view), it's the game design about the class that is bad

[Fire-Dragon-DoL]

Personally i feel the "summoner" doesn't play like a summoner at all. Primary job is applying dots, and the pet is just a ranged dot, or a melee dot with the option of a melee tanky dot.

It may just be my expectations were in the wrong, but i was completely hoping for a Yuna-esque summoner where my action bar was filled with pet commands and abilities where a good summoner could do their role while keeping both of them out of aoes.

As it is right now 90% of the time the pet dies you(me) don't notice it until you try and fire off enkindle or the other two generic abilities, a complete failure of a summoner class imho. At this point i wouldn't mind if they just gutted summons and made them fire and forget abilities like the versions from FF3-FF9 were.

And this guys, is the truth about the summoner.
This is what we expected: a Yuna-esque summon (the best summon system out there probably), as the website description states! They never talk about magic or debuffs in the summoner job description.
not only that, the worst part is exactly has he described: You'll notice your pet is missing only when you want to fire enkindle and rouse, that's really funny for a SUMMONER class.

[Taerra]

I like summoner because it can offer support to the party (always used to be a rdm back in FFXI) but the dot makes it feel like WoW's warlock (which i was never a fan of).

I was expecting too a flashy summon, raging through the battlefield while costing astounding amounts of MP but causing untold devastation ... but nope. A miniature summon with diseases spreading like a rampant hooker ... great.

I chose SMN ONLY because it's the ONLY class that can offer a decent amount of support (magic wise) to the party alongside dps. Sometimes I do wonder why I started SMN relic first instead of BLM ... WHERES MY RDM OR BLU !!!