The Solo disease?

[ZephyrAM]

A few things first off no one who plays solo replied my questions. If mmo are not about grouping, then why do developers promote the games as group games, ...

I didn't respond to this so as not to get into it, but put simply, Devs promot grouping because you 'have' to promote grouping in its current implementation in order to get the community to ever do it. Grouping takes more time and effort to put together and go about your task then it does to run it solo, thus if people can solo, they will. There are those who always want to group, however having so many others soloing tends to leave them without members, which is the current danger to the current implementation of grouping/soloing.

Yes, I bolded those bits for a reason. Remove the time and effort from grouping, such as is done on rare occasions in different games and is done here in XIV by way of the Behests, and people will group or solo as they choose.

I say again... grouping is promoted because it 'must' be. What does that say to you?

Play solo means playing by yourself. If your in an LS chating you are not really alone.

Honestly though grouping up or not grouping up don't make people solo or not solo. (I've been sick the last few days and havn't been thinking well or I would have said this. You do not need to be in a group to hang with people. Only if you need to. But if you hang with other peopple you are not soloing. Your just not grouping.

Okay, now you're debating over semantics. This thread was started to discuss the aspect of running solo rather then grouping, which is the actual process of forming a party mechanic supported team. Nothing else is relevant.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

That's what he's been saying all along, and you still haven't taken the time to actually read any of his posts.

Actually I have. He saids that under the flag of a soloist. but he isn't a soloist, just chooses to do those think while not being in a party which doesn't mean group persay.

But all in all I still think it is very rude to come to forum of an mmo say who you are, and stand on a soapbox and declare to everyone that you hate grouping, and avoid it whenever possible. That shouldn't have been said as it can be an insult to the community as a whole. He should have said that he PERFERS to not group. Not hate and avoid.

By the way he posted he deserved everything he got. And how he continues to question others. And I still do not buy in in hime not wanting group content to be soloable. If he didn't why bother asking? Or could have asked it in a way they didn't give off that feeling. Pretty much I'm saying the tone of the TDJ posts give off an arrogent aura. The starter posts. If he understands that some content will be more group based. The he should have said so instead of asking why. If he knows that he don't have to do that content, why make a stink about it. If he was asking to be curoius he should have stated it. And not seem to have a fit and question everyone who brought up group content. There are ways to go about things. In my honest opinion, TDJ went about things the wrong way, and continues to do so. He is to blunt, and can be considered rude in his posting.

If he wants us to understand his position, he should have avoidfed the words hate and avoid. And should have used perfer to.
And he shouldn't have attacked others posts for saying mmorpg are about grouping. That is what we are told be producers and developers. Groupingn isn't always "forming a party" it is being with other players. That is the OP fault he misunderstands that. When your in an LS your in a group. When your standing in Ul'dah with friends your in a group.

I hope this makes sence.

[Azurus]

This is going to sound rude but there isnt a better way in my mind to express this thought. Yes, soloists are a radically evolving virus to the MMO community. When MMOs first came out, highly inspired by DnD(a group based game), they were promoted as group games and only people ready for this group mechanic played them as this is what they wanted to play. Then people got more and more impatient or whatever that made them think they should be able to solo everything, so they have been radically changing MMOs over the years. Now they think they have the right to change an entire genre because they think they should be able to solo everything and avoid playing with other people, im sorry but thats the genre. Its like me hopping on a fps and be like yaaaa i like fps but i wanna use my fists only and then why tot he point where CoD is just an open map beat em up. It changes the genre. MMOs generally dont have nearly as an engaging story as most single player rpgs, regardless of the ever expanding world, so i dont understand why one would avoid groups on an mmo considering that is their point, a co op rpg built around interaction to take down the giant evil.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Ok let me put it more simply. solo = alone. mmorpg = many players on at once. so you are never lone. unless you avoid people.

[Rentahamster]

Ok let me put it more simply. solo = alone. mmorpg = many players on at once. so you are never lone. unless you avoid people.

You should know perfectly well that the context the OP was talking about was completing battle and other content by himself. It doesn't have anything to do with chatting or player interaction outside of battle.

The stuff you keep arguing about is in a different context entirely and is off-topic.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I didn't respond to this so as not to get into it, but put simply, Devs promot grouping because you 'have' to promote grouping in its current implementation in order to get the community to ever do it. Grouping takes more time and effort to put together and go about your task then it does to run it solo, thus if people can solo, they will. There are those who always want to group, however having so many others soloing tends to leave them without members, which is the current danger to the current implementation of grouping/soloing.

Yes, I bolded those bits for a reason. Remove the time and effort from grouping, such as is done on rare occasions in different games and is done here in XIV by way of the Behests, and people will group or solo as they choose.

I say again... grouping is promoted because it 'must' be. What does that say to you?



Okay, now you're debating over semantics. This thread was started to discuss the aspect of running solo rather then grouping, which is the actual process of forming a party mechanic supported team. Nothing else is relevant.

Who said grouping is only about foruming a party. LS are groups... your not really in a "party" with them. And devs ONLY talk about grouping. Is what I was pointing out. They also do not have to promote grouong or soling, just their game. And that was more the devs explaining what MMORPG are. not their game persay. Ask any REAL dev what mmorpg are and the same explination comes up. A game that is about meeting people and going exploring together.


But all in all I'm saying OP isn;t even a soloist. he still in an LS, and he communitcates with ppl. REAL soloist avoid those.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

You should know perfectly well that the context the OP was talking about was completing battle and other content by himself. It doesn't have anything to do with chatting or player interaction outside of battle.

The stuff you keep arguing about is in a different context entirely and is off-topic.

Not arguing actually, more stating a fact. And again stating op isn't really a soloist like he thinks he is. He just chooses not to party which isn't the only way grouping is done.

And it is on topic, since OP is trying to make people understand him, yet he don't even understand what a soloist is.

Also from his Topic post he never stated content. that was brought up after. He pretty much only said (in many words) I hate grouping and avoid it. (which i an insult)

[Azurus]

LS are not grouping its a glorified chat room with people that happened to allow you past their red tape(i swear some LS make it feel like im applying for the FBI all over again o.O haha)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

LS are not grouping its a glorified chat room with people that happened to allow you past their red tape(i swear some LS make it feel like im applying for the FBI all over again o.O haha)

Yes it is an LS is a group of people under one flag. Much like a clan or guild or club. (in real life)

partying isn't always about grouping up.

individual = 1 person
group = many people.

Linkshell = many people.

[Asmeret]

Kilta... You still dun get.