Why is there still so much to do at end game?

[Altena]

People need to really stop believing that those that have completed turn 4 in coil "rushed through content" because that is simply not true.
As I have stated before, if you still don't have a level 50 class, 3 months after release then you are not considered part of the "norm".

In addition to this, people also need to stop claiming that leveling sub classes or crafting and gathering classes is part of end game content. As this is not the complaint. The complaint is not that there is absolutely nothing that we can do, the complaint is that there is a severe lack of end game content.

This thread refers to end game content.
I will list again:
- WP / AK
- Relic quest (which includes primals)
- Coil


That is it. Literally all there is to do for someone who has truly reached end game.
You haven't reached this point yet? Good for you.
You haven't completed all of this yet? Good for you.

This complaint is NOT for you, as you do indeed still have things to do.
However for the rest of us that have facerolled through the content at a normal pace, there is very little end game content we are left with. With the upcoming patch of 2.1, many of us will still have very little do actually progress our character, as the gear is a whole tier behind what we already have been working toward for the past 3 months.

I am not "hardcore". I am not "casual"... I simply play this game. Like anyone else.
There is little end game content for me to do, over and above a 40min raid, and spamming the same 2 dungeons 4-10 times per week.
This complaint does not apply to you? Then once again - good for you.

[BobtheBlackMage]

This thread refers to end game content.
I will list again:
- WP / AK
- Relic quest (which includes primals)
- Coil

You left out One-Star gathering and Two-Star crafting. Those are endgame too.

[Altena]

You left out One-Star gathering and Two-Star crafting. Those are endgame too.

While in a technical sense, yes you "can" craft these, I consider these to be in the AK/WP category.. You spam WP/AK, don't have anything to spend your Philo on because you have full DL already, so what do you do? Sell animal fat or craft something..

In saying that, it is just as easy to walk down to your local market board and buy one for 50k higher then cost price..
This then goes back into the "farming gil" category which I would hardly call end game.. Especially since the most efficient way to farm gil for most people is - guess what.... AK and WP runs! Horrah.

[BobtheBlackMage]

While in a technical sense, yes you "can" craft these, I consider these to be in the AK/WP category.. You spam WP/AK, don't have anything to spend your Philo on because you have full DL already, so what do you do? Sell animal fat or craft something..

In saying that, it is just as easy to walk down to your local market board and buy one for 50k higher then cost price..
This then goes back into the "farming gil" category which I would hardly call end game.. Especially since the most efficient way to farm gil for most people is - guess what.... AK and WP runs! Horrah.

Except, you know, the crafters with 15 Million gil+ who have never set foot in AK or WP.

[Sayura_]

I am not "hardcore". I am not "casual"... I simply play this game. Like anyone else.
There is little end game content for me to do, over and above a 40min raid, and spamming the same 2 dungeons 4-10 times per week.
This complaint does not apply to you? Then once again - good for you.

Well said.

I've never seen an mmo community so passionately defend mind-numblingly, soul-crushing end-game content.

[amnie]

Well said.

I've never seen an mmo community so passionately defend mind-numblingly, soul-crushing end-game content.

point me to one person that says they are happy with the fact that there's only 2-3 instances worth it. that is NOT what this topic is about at all.

[Sayura_]

point me to one person that says they are happy with the fact that there's only 2-3 instances worth it. that is NOT what this topic is about at all.

When did I say instances? All of the "end game content" listed in this thread defending it is mind-numbingly soul-crushing. That includes: leveling alts, leveling crafting, leveling gathering, doing achievements, collecting minions (really?).. etc etc etc.

[Nialle]

When did I say instances? All of the "end game content" listed in this thread defending it is mind-numbingly soul-crushing. That includes: leveling alts, leveling crafting, leveling gathering, doing achievements, collecting minions (really?).. etc etc etc.

Welcome to MMORPGs. Perhaps you're lost and playing the wrong game genre, my friend. After reading this thread, my only conclusion is that there are a lot of bored killjoys who seem to can't stand seeing people enjoying something they feel is 'soul crushing' and don't realize that a big part of fun is personal perspective. Also, seems lots of people keep posting on a forum dedicated to a game they can barely stand to play because... I guess there are no other MMOs in the world they could be playing instead?

Arguing on the internet is always funtimes, I suppose. At least til servers are back up and we all log back in again. =P

[amnie]

When did I say instances? All of the "end game content" listed in this thread defending it is mind-numbingly soul-crushing. That includes: leveling alts, leveling crafting, leveling gathering, doing achievements, collecting minions (really?).. etc etc etc.

ok, so you are also one of the people who think that just because they dislike something everyone else has to dislike it too. may I ask why you think those things are in-game when apparently nobody has liked and done them in the past? what do you personally think why SE is doing all of these things when there's no interest in it?

[Sayura_]

ok, so you are also one of the people who think that just because they dislike something everyone else has to dislike it too. may I ask why you think those things are in-game when apparently nobody has liked and done them in the past? what do you personally think why SE is doing all of these things when there's no interest in it?

Distractions from the lack of end-game content.