Why is there still so much to do at end game?

[Xatsh]

Reading the forum's you'd think everyone is at Turn 5 in the Coil. I wish SE would realize some statistics about the current level breakdown. I'm pretty sure the average subscriber is maybe level 30 or lower.

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

[Altena]

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

Basically this...

[amnie]

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Because there's a little thing called 1.0 that was up for 2 whole years giving plenty of time to people to level up pretty much every class and if not at least finish the rest in ARR, leaving them with only the gear and tome grind and Coils to do every Monday with nothing else to do.

you know, I played 1.0 up until about march/april 2012 (don't remember when I stopped exactly but my sub ran out in april) and what was my highest level at the end?
21.

how the hell does that say anything about the majority?

while I too think that 30 is probably stacking a little low, claiming the majority is 50 is just ignorant, nothing else.

edit:
nobody says people who are lvl 50 for a while and have done everything they like have no reason to be bored.
but that doesn't mean that there is nothing else to do or that they are forced to not enjoy the game just because they don't want to. I'm not telling you to force yourself to roll a new character, play a doh/dol class, craft something for ls/fc members, help lowbies out with the in-demand classes in level-up dungeons, get all the minions, try to get all the achievements, play the black market board to make gil, farm stuff to give it away for free, chat up with random people, role-play, do dungeons in sub-par gear to have a bigger challenge (or do them with a member less, which is tricky with the DF system, but doable).. but those options are there. you just don't like them and want content that is specifically catering to your likes.

(same as in ARR there were fast ways to level at the end of 1.0. and they were just as boring/borderline cheating as it is with fates now. no, I'm not calling fates cheating, but I do consider the lvl 50 mobs slaying a rather cheap way to level up in 1.0)

[Xatsh]

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

[Starlord]

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

I play 3-4 hours a day ( I take a day or 2 off from it from time to time) and my highest is 48 DRG. I do level other classes help out my FC daily life things, and still have only that high of a level. I also don't do FATEs so the slows down progressive by half. I don't like FATEs for 2 reason in which I am not getting into. Just saying even at this point I don't have to be at endgame at this time. Nor I want to rush it.

[Scratchs]

I play 3-4 hours a day ( I take a day or 2 off from it from time to time) and my highest is 48 DRG. I do level other classes help out my FC daily life things, and still have only that high of a level. I also don't do FATEs so the slows down progressive by half. I don't like FATEs for 2 reason in which I am not getting into. Just saying even at this point I don't have to be at endgame at this time. Nor I want to rush it.

I think the elite have a hard time understanding not everyone is there to min/max and jump on the endgame hamster wheel as soon as possible.

[amnie]

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

as I said, I had 36 hours of playtime last week. bite me.

again:
I KNOW how to level fast. I just don't.

repeating that I'm 'wrong' a bazillion times doesn't make it so.
I haven't played my highest combat class (my arc/brd) in 3 weeks. I am not listing all the other things one can do in this game again, since 'you guys' refuse to listen anyway.
all you think is that i'm saying you have to do these things. that is not what I'm doing. I'm just starting to get really annoyed by people thinking they are the majority. SE has the numbers. they KNOW who the majority are.

(ps: I also find it to be highly hilarious that apparently some people here think I'm saying you shouldn't ask for more 'serious' content. that is not the case either)

[Hioki]

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'



you know, I played 1.0 up until about march/april 2012 (don't remember when I stopped exactly but my sub ran out in april) and what was my highest level at the end?
21.

1. They didn't say they were playing the game incorrectly.
2. Leveling was much slower in 1.0
3. Really? Are you even playing the game? You barely have to do anything to gain levels on the first run through. Having at least, at the minimum, at the lowest possible fraction time that can be even considered playing the game, you should have one 50. One 50 is not some far off goal that will take you a year or years to accomplish. It should not even take you at most 2 months. 3 months is pushing it hard if you've still got nothing to show for it.

Before the Hurr Durr I have a real life and work 60hrs/gf/kids/school. So do I and it still only took less than month. If you have to use that as an excuse it means that you're trying to justify a bad investment. You didn't have time, you wasted money, and you're continuing to put down a monthly subscription to, honestly, not play. Cut your losses and find something else.

Do you understand what you're standing behind? There is absolutely no excuse for trying to justify it anymore. You're wrong. You're simply 100% wrong.

[Kiayin]

1. They didn't say they were playing the game incorrectly.
2. Leveling was much slower in 1.0
3. Really? Are you even playing the game? You barely have to do anything to gain levels on the first run through. Having at least, at the minimum, at the lowest possible fraction time that can be even considered playing the game, you should have one 50. One 50 is not some far off goal that will take you a year or years to accomplish. It should not even take you at most 2 months. 3 months is pushing it hard if you've still got nothing to show for it.

Before the Hurr Durr I have a real life and work 60hrs/gf/kids/school. So do I and it still only took less than month. If you have to use that as an excuse it means that you're trying to justify a bad investment. You didn't have time, you wasted money, and you're continuing to put down a monthly subscription to, honestly, not play. Cut your losses and find something else.


Do you understand what you're standing behind? There is absolutely no excuse for trying to justify it anymore. You're wrong. You're simply 100% wrong.

Level 50 is NOT the goal for some of us :]. Some people don't need to have anything to show for the time they've played.. other than the fact that they've been having fun.

Why, I know people who ONLY roleplay in mmorpgs and whose character(s) has/ve been level 5 for years. (< Hobbit characters on Lotro) There was a whole group of people that refused to move on from GW's tutorial and it was actually popolous enough for the devs to even implement a couple of dailies there. MADNESS!

[Altena]

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Not a single person has said or even implied that there is a right and wrong.

In fact, how can you feel like you have the right to "dictate" people's opinion of a lack of content, when you yourself have not completed the said content.
Still have stuff to do? Then good for you, you don't play at other people's pace.

you know, I played 1.0 up until about march/april 2012 (don't remember when I stopped exactly but my sub ran out in april) and what was my highest level at the end?
21.

So you didn't play very much. Gotcha

how the hell does that say anything about the majority?

I am not saying the "majority of 1.0 players have capped classes".. I am saying that the "majority of 2.0 players who have been playing since release are most likely at level 50 with at least 1 relic." I find it hard to believe that someone who logs in and does in fact make progress, at least 1-2 hours per day, or even 6 hours per week, has not reached level cap.

If they have not, then I am sorry to be bluntly honest - but they are progressing slower then the crowd.

while I too think that 30 is probably stacking a little low, claiming the majority is 50 is just ignorant, nothing else.

It's ignorant? I think simply taking a walk around town and disagreeing with my statement is rather ignorant.
Even Coerthas and Bluefog are a ghost towns in comparison to Mor Dhona with idle characters.. and both zones are huge EXP hubs. It is likely that a good portion (note the lack of the word "majority" here) in these areas are even working on their 2nd+ classes..

Sorry to say but it is "ignorant" to believe that not being level capped, 3 months after release is "the norm"..

edit:
nobody says people who are lvl 50 for a while and have done everything they like have no reason to be bored.

Then why are people like you denying us of this right?

but that doesn't mean that there is nothing else to do or that they are forced to not enjoy the game just because they don't want to.

This sentence barely even makes sense.
"It doesn't mean that there is nothing else to do, or that they are forced to not enjoy the game, because they don't want to."

What?
So it doesn't mean there is nothing to do,
and no one is forcing us to enjoy doing nothing
because we don't want to do nothing..

No matter how many times I read that sentence I don't really get what you are trying to say..

No one is saying we "don't enjoy the game". We are simply saying that the game lacks content that we enjoy doing at END GAME. Meaning, most of us enjoy the game, the issue simply is that there is little that we can do over and above grinding the same dungeon over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

I'm not telling you to force yourself to roll a new character,

Well I already did, and that didn't really help, as instead of having more content - I simply have twice the amount of the same content.

play a doh/dol class, craft something for ls/fc members, help lowbies out with the in-demand classes in level-up dungeons, get all the minions, try to get all the achievements, play the black market board to make gil, farm stuff to give it away for free, chat up with random people, role-play, do dungeons in sub-par gear to have a bigger challenge (or do them with a member less, which is tricky with the DF system, but doable).. but those options are there. you just don't like them and want content that is specifically catering to your likes.

Much of what you mentioned is not END GAME content here.
- EXPing any classes (including DoH/DoL) is not end game.
- Crafting some random stuff for your friends is not end game.
- Helping lowbies with low level dungeons is low level content. It is not end game content.
- Getting all minions (which many have already done without even trying) is not end game.
- Getting all achievements is not end game content...
- Farm stuff and give it away for free? lolWot? How is killing low level trash - end game content?
- Chatting and role playing is not end game.
- Doing dungeons in sub-par gear is doing the same end game content, that we are already doing (ie. not extra end game content).

As you see, not a single one of your "options" is even considered end game content...
What is end game content? It is content that you complete, in order to progress your character beyond level cap (until the next level cap is raised).
Examples:
- Wanderer's Palace / Amdapor Keep
- Primals
- Relic Climb (so... Primals in other words)
- The Binding Coil of Bahamut
- ........
- ........
- I can't even think of anything else, honestly.

THIS is why people like myself consider there to be no end game content... Because truthfully - this is the extent of it until Crystal Tower..
The biggest issue with Crystal Tower is many of us who played 2.0 since release will actually have 1-2 fully completed i90 classes (if this isn't the case already). Meaning that the gear that we could potentially get from CT is either worse then what we already have, or useful for classes we never play.

It honestly isn't about "waiting until December" for many people who are already upto/defeated T5 coil. It is about the lack of planned progression until patch 2.2. Meaning many of us have absolutely no way we can progress our main classes for a minimum of 4 months, which will most likely be somewhere around the 6 month mark when 2.2 is delayed.