Why is there still so much to do at end game?

[Scratchs]

you can think that way whichever way you want, I just find it to be highly ignorant to honestly think that there's more people who are lvl 50 than every player that is 1-49 combined, and not only that, but that the majority of those who are lvl 50 also have a relic+1.

Reading the forum's you'd think everyone is at Turn 5 in the Coil. I wish SE would release some statistics about the current level breakdown. I'm pretty sure the average subscriber is maybe level 30 or lower.

[Xatsh]

Reading the forum's you'd think everyone is at Turn 5 in the Coil. I wish SE would realize some statistics about the current level breakdown. I'm pretty sure the average subscriber is maybe level 30 or lower.

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

[Altena]

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

Basically this...

[Roris]

Because there's a little thing called 1.0 that was up for 2 whole years giving plenty of time to people to level up pretty much every class and if not at least finish the rest in ARR, leaving them with only the gear and tome grind and Coils to do every Monday with nothing else to do.

[amnie]

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Because there's a little thing called 1.0 that was up for 2 whole years giving plenty of time to people to level up pretty much every class and if not at least finish the rest in ARR, leaving them with only the gear and tome grind and Coils to do every Monday with nothing else to do.

you know, I played 1.0 up until about march/april 2012 (don't remember when I stopped exactly but my sub ran out in april) and what was my highest level at the end?
21.

how the hell does that say anything about the majority?

while I too think that 30 is probably stacking a little low, claiming the majority is 50 is just ignorant, nothing else.

edit:
nobody says people who are lvl 50 for a while and have done everything they like have no reason to be bored.
but that doesn't mean that there is nothing else to do or that they are forced to not enjoy the game just because they don't want to. I'm not telling you to force yourself to roll a new character, play a doh/dol class, craft something for ls/fc members, help lowbies out with the in-demand classes in level-up dungeons, get all the minions, try to get all the achievements, play the black market board to make gil, farm stuff to give it away for free, chat up with random people, role-play, do dungeons in sub-par gear to have a bigger challenge (or do them with a member less, which is tricky with the DF system, but doable).. but those options are there. you just don't like them and want content that is specifically catering to your likes.

(same as in ARR there were fast ways to level at the end of 1.0. and they were just as boring/borderline cheating as it is with fates now. no, I'm not calling fates cheating, but I do consider the lvl 50 mobs slaying a rather cheap way to level up in 1.0)

[Xatsh]

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

[Hioki]

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'



you know, I played 1.0 up until about march/april 2012 (don't remember when I stopped exactly but my sub ran out in april) and what was my highest level at the end?
21.

1. They didn't say they were playing the game incorrectly.
2. Leveling was much slower in 1.0
3. Really? Are you even playing the game? You barely have to do anything to gain levels on the first run through. Having at least, at the minimum, at the lowest possible fraction time that can be even considered playing the game, you should have one 50. One 50 is not some far off goal that will take you a year or years to accomplish. It should not even take you at most 2 months. 3 months is pushing it hard if you've still got nothing to show for it.

Before the Hurr Durr I have a real life and work 60hrs/gf/kids/school. So do I and it still only took less than month. If you have to use that as an excuse it means that you're trying to justify a bad investment. You didn't have time, you wasted money, and you're continuing to put down a monthly subscription to, honestly, not play. Cut your losses and find something else.

Do you understand what you're standing behind? There is absolutely no excuse for trying to justify it anymore. You're wrong. You're simply 100% wrong.

[Starlord]

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

I play 3-4 hours a day ( I take a day or 2 off from it from time to time) and my highest is 48 DRG. I do level other classes help out my FC daily life things, and still have only that high of a level. I also don't do FATEs so the slows down progressive by half. I don't like FATEs for 2 reason in which I am not getting into. Just saying even at this point I don't have to be at endgame at this time. Nor I want to rush it.

[HoroBoro]

You know... Some people enjoy crafting and gathering.

I had a friend who literally stopped leveling so he could do more stuff gathering and crafting and playing the market. And believe it or not, a lot of people enjoy the socializing aspect of the game more than leveling.

So they will level very, very slowly (but consistently). Also, you have to take the amount of new players coming into the game and the amount of old players quitting. Some people are level 50 - did coil - no longer playing. Or level 50 - game is boring - quit. Both entering and exiting the game puts the average player at a lower level.

I would say that 30ish is not an unreasonable estimate. I still see people spaming asking for Stone Vigil.

[Scratchs]

I play 3-4 hours a day ( I take a day or 2 off from it from time to time) and my highest is 48 DRG. I do level other classes help out my FC daily life things, and still have only that high of a level. I also don't do FATEs so the slows down progressive by half. I don't like FATEs for 2 reason in which I am not getting into. Just saying even at this point I don't have to be at endgame at this time. Nor I want to rush it.

I think the elite have a hard time understanding not everyone is there to min/max and jump on the endgame hamster wheel as soon as possible.