Why is there still so much to do at end game?

[amnie]

you can think that way whichever way you want, I just find it to be highly ignorant to honestly think that there's more people who are lvl 50 than every player that is 1-49 combined, and not only that, but that the majority of those who are lvl 50 also have a relic+1.

this happens in every MMO that releases. and it's never been true after such a short time.

I already said that I think it's legit to 'complain' when you have nothing fun for you to do. but that is something different than claiming there IS nothing fun to do. everyone defines 'fun' as something else. (I for example have more fun collecting minions, gathering random crap for friends who level up their crafting classes - and socialising. I am not a member of any FC, but I am a member of 5 different LSs for example)


you get a distroded view when you do lvl 50 stuff all the time. of course the majority at 50 has good gear when you regularly do the runs that people do to farm. but that doesn't change any damn thing. people who ARE 50 and want to get better stuff just do nothing but the lvl 50 content.

[Altena]

you can think that way whichever way you want, I just find it to be highly ignorant to honestly think that there's more people who are lvl 50 than every player that is 1-49 combined, and not only that, but that the majority of those who are lvl 50 also have a relic+1.

Anyone that purchased the game recently doesn't really count, as they aren't with the release crowd.. so to speak.
Anyone that is not level 50, 3 months after release is also playing very infrequently and is not with the crowd.
If it has taken 2 months to defeat 2x instanced fights, 1 dungeon, kill 24 level 49 mobs, and defeated the 3 primals - then that is unfortunate and I am sorry that you have had bad luck finding groups or an FC.

I didn't say +1 because that is a gear choice. Some slots for some jobs are arguably better then a +1 (such as BRD pants). I simply said a relic..

this happens in every MMO that releases. and it's never been true after such a short time.

Once again, this is a special snowflake as many players are already 2 years ahead of the game's schedule.

I already said that I think it's legit to 'complain' when you have nothing fun for you to do.

I find coil "fun"... However this lasts for 40 mins a week - aside from grinding our faces against walls on Twintania.
As for dungeon grinding which is the only other thing to "do", then no, there is nothing to do. I also have better-then-AK gear on both my "main" jobs, as well as full DL for many off-jobs. This is not out of the norm for many people, especially 1.0 players who did not have to spend as much time in early-mid game tier.

but that is something different than claiming there IS nothing fun to do.

There IS nothing fun, after completing coil.

everyone defines 'fun' as something else. (I for example have more fun collecting minions, gathering random crap for friends who level up their crafting classes - and socialising. I am not a member of any FC, but I am a member of 5 different LSs for example)

Which is why people are complaining. For a lot of people - the 'fun' things in this game are completed in 30-40 mins. Once this is done, we might as well log out for the week.
The complaint is there is not enough, and 40 mins a week (if we are strictly talking "fun") for most people is not enough for a game that is on a monthly sub.

you get a distroded view when you do lvl 50 stuff all the time. of course the majority at 50 has good gear when you regularly do the runs that people do to farm. but that doesn't change any damn thing. people who ARE 50 and want to get better stuff just do nothing but the lvl 50 content.

Please read my edited section in my previous post.

[Scratchs]

you can think that way whichever way you want, I just find it to be highly ignorant to honestly think that there's more people who are lvl 50 than every player that is 1-49 combined, and not only that, but that the majority of those who are lvl 50 also have a relic+1.

Reading the forum's you'd think everyone is at Turn 5 in the Coil. I wish SE would release some statistics about the current level breakdown. I'm pretty sure the average subscriber is maybe level 30 or lower.

[Xatsh]

Reading the forum's you'd think everyone is at Turn 5 in the Coil. I wish SE would realize some statistics about the current level breakdown. I'm pretty sure the average subscriber is maybe level 30 or lower.

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

[Altena]

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

Basically this...

[amnie]

I would not call that your average player.

I am more hardcore then normal... but I went from 1-30 in 2 days.

If you played for nearly 90days and are only level 30... you are simply not playing the game.

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Because there's a little thing called 1.0 that was up for 2 whole years giving plenty of time to people to level up pretty much every class and if not at least finish the rest in ARR, leaving them with only the gear and tome grind and Coils to do every Monday with nothing else to do.

you know, I played 1.0 up until about march/april 2012 (don't remember when I stopped exactly but my sub ran out in april) and what was my highest level at the end?
21.

how the hell does that say anything about the majority?

while I too think that 30 is probably stacking a little low, claiming the majority is 50 is just ignorant, nothing else.

edit:
nobody says people who are lvl 50 for a while and have done everything they like have no reason to be bored.
but that doesn't mean that there is nothing else to do or that they are forced to not enjoy the game just because they don't want to. I'm not telling you to force yourself to roll a new character, play a doh/dol class, craft something for ls/fc members, help lowbies out with the in-demand classes in level-up dungeons, get all the minions, try to get all the achievements, play the black market board to make gil, farm stuff to give it away for free, chat up with random people, role-play, do dungeons in sub-par gear to have a bigger challenge (or do them with a member less, which is tricky with the DF system, but doable).. but those options are there. you just don't like them and want content that is specifically catering to your likes.

(same as in ARR there were fast ways to level at the end of 1.0. and they were just as boring/borderline cheating as it is with fates now. no, I'm not calling fates cheating, but I do consider the lvl 50 mobs slaying a rather cheap way to level up in 1.0)

[Xatsh]

and again with the dictating how people have to play 'correctly' to 'play the game'

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

[Starlord]

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

I play 3-4 hours a day ( I take a day or 2 off from it from time to time) and my highest is 48 DRG. I do level other classes help out my FC daily life things, and still have only that high of a level. I also don't do FATEs so the slows down progressive by half. I don't like FATEs for 2 reason in which I am not getting into. Just saying even at this point I don't have to be at endgame at this time. Nor I want to rush it.

[Scratchs]

I play 3-4 hours a day ( I take a day or 2 off from it from time to time) and my highest is 48 DRG. I do level other classes help out my FC daily life things, and still have only that high of a level. I also don't do FATEs so the slows down progressive by half. I don't like FATEs for 2 reason in which I am not getting into. Just saying even at this point I don't have to be at endgame at this time. Nor I want to rush it.

I think the elite have a hard time understanding not everyone is there to min/max and jump on the endgame hamster wheel as soon as possible.

[amnie]

Playing the game 2-4hrs a week is more or less not playing the game, sorry. Not dictating anything I am stating a fact.

My statement was these players are the minority just like the ones who play 90hrs a week.

as I said, I had 36 hours of playtime last week. bite me.

again:
I KNOW how to level fast. I just don't.

repeating that I'm 'wrong' a bazillion times doesn't make it so.
I haven't played my highest combat class (my arc/brd) in 3 weeks. I am not listing all the other things one can do in this game again, since 'you guys' refuse to listen anyway.
all you think is that i'm saying you have to do these things. that is not what I'm doing. I'm just starting to get really annoyed by people thinking they are the majority. SE has the numbers. they KNOW who the majority are.

(ps: I also find it to be highly hilarious that apparently some people here think I'm saying you shouldn't ask for more 'serious' content. that is not the case either)