DRG is unbalanced and desperately needs a buff.

[Soukyuu]

If you want to make substantiated claims, you gotta back it up. The onus is on the OP to provide evidence for the claims she makes. You're welcome to support her with the evidence if you wish. I want to see the numbers and incite others to do the same for the opposing arguments.

You are welcome to take a look at this and this thread. People have posted enough parses there.
From my part, I can only say that because DRG and MNK don't have hate reducing skills, you can also look at the hate indicator.
I'm consistently 2nd on single target fights even with GL loss unless
a) there is another decent monk in the party
b) there is a brd/drg with better gear in the party.

I have also done runs where we purposely tried to steal hate off the tank during ak/wp runs and I stole it most of the time despite the DRG having the myth body.

9 GCDs is a long time to be operating at a reduced DPS for hard-tuned content

The buffer you build before losing GL3 is usually enough to still come up higher than the rest.

[Ruethryl]

From my part, I can only say that because DRG and MNK don't have hate reducing skills, you can also look at the hate indicator.

Incorrect. Evasive Jump has hate reduction. ^^

And I've been doing turn 5 with my DRG just fine so far soo.. either way this thread is moot, SE has already said they're doing some re-balancing of the classes/jobs with 2.1

[Soukyuu]

Incorrect. Evasive Jump has hate reduction. ^^

Ok, I'm not the person to talk about dragoons. But who uses Elusive Jump while DPSing? ^^

[Hyrist]

Ok, I'm not the person to talk about dragoons. But who uses Elusive Jump while DPSing? ^^

O/

Under two situations:

1. I cap threat on too many mobs at once to survive long enough to get taken back/healed.

2. I'm near-first on threat during a downtime moment in a fight (meaning I'm having to evade anyways, such as Ifrit's charge/plumes, Kimera's short range attack, etc.)

These are rare, however, as often I won't be second on hate list like I was consistently in 1.xx.

It's also good for fight re-positioning, if you can time it well.

Also, you did not provide a parse. You linked to a 55 page thread expecting me to do the work proving your argument for you. Yer going to have to provide it yourself or at the very least link directly to the parse. (Second link is broken, btw.)

Though, we might want to wait until 2.1 to do the Parses, as we're now arguing a moot point.

A lot of people like to make excuses for the average performance of a class by saying "They're just bad." And honestly, that's irrelevant to the average player. If the average encounter is beneath a Dragoon's average, than it's comparable. The only time where it's an issue worth raising is when Dragoon gets ostracized from content because of the difference, and I have hear of no cases of this at all.

[BoomerOU]

Ok, I'm not the person to talk about dragoons. But who uses Elusive Jump while DPSing? ^^

There are a few times I hit threat cap in coil, the adds leading to ADS and aoe spider phases in T4, where I might elusive jump to drop threat and dive back in.

I do feel like dps as DRG is an uphill battle, partly because I play with great players and partly because if my 27 hit gets interrupted from spontaneous conditions I feel like I waste valuable time getting back on track since getting hit by cleaves/aoe isnt worth rushing back into fight.