In regards to quitters

[NovaUltimatum]

Let's consider a possible future scenario:

1. OP suggests DF leaving penalty to be changed to 24 hours.
2. SE reluctantly gives in and changes penalty to 24 hours.
3. People who want to quit now go AFK or troll the dungeon until someone else takes the leaving penalty (or d/c their router. Though I'm not sure if that still gives you the penalty).
4. New thread on forums complaining about number 3.

[Arkista]

Let's consider a possible future scenario:

1. OP suggests DF leaving penalty to be changed to 24 hours.
2. SE reluctantly gives in and changes penalty to 24 hours.
3. People who want to quit now go AFK or troll the dungeon until someone else takes the leaving penalty (or d/c their router. Though I'm not sure if that still gives you the penalty).
4. New thread on forums complaining about number 3.

LOL number 3 is how you get around the lock out. I didn't want to say it, But even if they did add a 24hr lock out and we force DC ourselves SE cannot add a 24hr lockout on us there are just to many connection issues that can happen for them to say "OH you 90k well you still have 24hr lockout" People would Rage so hard.

In short OP there will never ever be a 24hr lockout in a MMO for leaving a group.

[xRitzx]

LOL number 3 is how you get around the lock out. I didn't want to say it, But even if they did add a 24hr lock out and we force DC ourselves SE cannot add a 24hr lockout on us there are just to many connection issues that can happen for them to say "OH you 90k well you still have 24hr lockout" People would Rage so hard.

If you disconnect, I think someone still has to eat the lock out timer. I have never purposefully disconnected but I did have connection issues before and when I logged back in after a disconnect, I would rejoin the same party. On the opposite side, if someone else disconnects and doesn't return, the party has to wait 5 minutes or something for that person to be kicked or someone has to leave and eat the lock out timer. So I don't think there is actually a way for everyone to get around the lock out.

[Arkista]

If you disconnect, I think someone still has to eat the lock out timer. I have never purposefully disconnected but I did have connection issues before and when I logged back in after a disconnect, I would rejoin the same party. On the opposite side, if someone else disconnects and doesn't return, the party has to wait 5 minutes or something for that person to be kicked or someone has to leave and eat the lock out timer. So I don't think there is actually a way for everyone to get around the lock out.

I DCd in Castrum before and took a lil while to get back in and I wasn't in Castrum and I had no lock out timer (it didn't take 15mins to log back in either). If someone DCs in the party and they are kicked you can leave the party w/o lockout cause I've done it. And Force DC is how you get around the lockout.

[xRitzx]

I DCd in Castrum before and took a lil while to get back in and I wasn't in Castrum and I had no lock out timer (it didn't take 15mins to log back in either). If someone DCs in the party and they are kicked you can leave the party w/o lockout cause I've done it. And Force DC is how you get around the lockout.

OK, I agree with that. But you still have to wait for the auto kick when someone DCs. Sometimes it takes a relatively long time like 10 minutes but it's usually just a couple minutes.

[ChriskoOnAnotherLevel]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

If people want to quit your party at the drop of a hat, OH well let them leave.

The fact that you even care, shows that you rely too much on DF and have no social structure to fall back on in game.

Maybe you should work on making reliable and skilled friends, so you do not have this problem rather than enacting harsh punishment for people doing whatever they want inside a game.

[Kiayin]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

If people want to quit your party at the drop of a hat, OH well let them leave.

The fact that you even care, shows that you rely too much on DF and have no social structure to fall back on in game.

Maybe you should work on making reliable and skilled friends, so you do not have this problem rather than enacting harsh punishment for people doing whatever they want inside a game.

What about the other 7 or so people who waited for more than one hour to get in that dungeon? You've completely wasted their time.

Free will means that you're free to make your own decisions and act on them. It does not mean that you're free to do whatever you want and that there will be no consequences whatsoever. This is a mmorpg. The people you are incoveniencing are very real.

[Tupsi]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

I don't know mr. Chris Kyo, controlling people via punishment did wonders for keeping the world out of complete anarchy - Don't you ever see the news and witness the outraged when some people go unchecked for crimes they commit? Remember the whole zimmerman situation? Punishing people is the best way to control situations like this, because it really ends up wasting everyone's time in the long run.

People quit after 289387 wipes? Sure, you already likely spent 45 minutes not progressing. People that quit because someone is new? People drop out because no SMN or BLM or an LB? People that Troll the Queue? Unless you yourself do that there's honestly zero reason to be against punishing certain situations.

[Rosekitten]

I've had people drop random groups a lot recently... I haven't tried to DF the primal fights yet but as far as the 4 mans people have no patience once so ever so I can only imagine the larger groups.

I'm in the process of walking my friend through how to tank runs and explain things to him and I state this at the start of the runs that he's new to mmo's and tanking. Really he's not bad at his class given he's almost 50 now and had people helping him along the way ^^

But the first mess up and the healer leaves or the first loss of agro or some little slip up.. so silly D; I would happily not put him or myself through the stress of DF but the lack of healers or people willing to do the lower end content if people need it in the FC I'm in rather gives me little to no choice.

[Molly_Millions]

I've had people drop random groups a lot recently... I haven't tried to DF the primal fights yet but as far as the 4 mans people have no patience once so ever so I can only imagine the larger groups.

I'm in the process of walking my friend through how to tank runs and explain things to him and I state this at the start of the runs that he's new to mmo's and tanking. Really he's not bad at his class given he's almost 50 now and had people helping him along the way ^^

But the first mess up and the healer leaves or the first loss of agro or some little slip up.. so silly D; I would happily not put him or myself through the stress of DF but the lack of healers or people willing to do the lower end content if people need it in the FC I'm in rather gives me little to no choice.

I saw this for the first time yesterday. The tank left at the third pull of AK. Didn't say a word, just bounced. How is anyone supposed to fix what they did wrong if people just leave without at least attempting to address it?