Please do not lock Jobs to the Weapon Class that unlocks them.

[Teknoman]

What makes you think that Black Mages won't be able to heal themselves? According to how Jobs were described, equipping a job shut out access to some of the other classes abilities. That's some, not all, and not the class you are on. I don't know about anyone else but it seems logical to me that Conjurer is going to unlock Black Mage. Conjurer's have the cure spells. Don't exactly see SE locking out your own classes abilities.

Actually thats probably the point. Black Mages would specialize in casting damage dealing spells, so they probably would be locked out of healing, yet gain a buff to elemental damage and access to new spells and abilities. Its most likely going back to the job system style of FF III,IV,V, and IX where characters had clear defined roles instead of having access to multiple skills sets.

[Amineri]

What makes you think that Black Mages won't be able to heal themselves? According to how Jobs were described, equipping a job shut out access to some of the other classes abilities. That's some, not all, and not the class you are on. I don't know about anyone else but it seems logical to me that Conjurer is going to unlock Black Mage. Conjurer's have the cure spells. Don't exactly see SE locking out your own classes abilities.

Where I think people are getting confused here is they are thinking jobs replace your class. Not according to how they were described. You are still a Conjurer when you go Black Mage for a party. You just have the Black Mage job equipped.

Think of the XIV job system like a subjob in XI. Your main class doesn't change and that is where the majority of your abilities come from. The sub job, or the "job" of xiv, just enhances the strengths of your class. So to use the example above, it would be like a Conjurer/Black Mage if this were XI's system instead of XIV's.

I could completely envision Black Mage shutting out access to all curing type spells, whether they be Cures or Sacrifices. If a Black Mages role is magic-type DD, then they wouldn't be particularly specialized if they still had access to every CON spell (or THM spell if THM unlocks Black Mage).

I could even see Sleep being blocked, as there could be a job added that specializes in crowd control (not sure off the top of my head if there is a historical FF class that was a master of CC).

[Wynn]

Actually thats probably the point. Black Mages would specialize in casting damage dealing spells, so they probably would be locked out of healing, yet gain a buff to elemental damage and access to new spells and abilities. Its most likely going back to the job system style of FF III,IV,V, and IX where characters had clear defined roles instead of having access to multiple skills sets.

Did you even read the battle blue print letter? You're just completely assuming what you want it to be.

[Sorel]

Did you even read the battle blue print letter? You're just completely assuming what you want it to be.

Adjust your calm. Teknoman was just hypothesizing and speculating. We ALL are doing the same thing. That's pretty much what this thread has turned into.

[Amineri]

Adjust your calm. Teknoman was just hypothesizing and speculating. We ALL are doing the same thing. That's pretty much what this thread has turned into.

There are a few tiny nuggets of fact that can be gleaned from Matsui-san's letter, but a lot of speculation and room for interpretation.

+1 to adjusting calm, however it is worthwhile to word things in such a way to make clear that this IS speculation, if for no other reason then to keep the tone civil.

However, speculation back and forth on the pros and cons gives lots of good ideas / feedback to the devs as they keep moving forward with the job system, in my personal opinion (you see what I did there?).

[Wynn]

Adjust your calm. Teknoman was just hypothesizing and speculating. We ALL are doing the same thing. That's pretty much what this thread has turned into.

Adjust my what? Please don't make assumptions about my current state of emotion. I'm just saying read the letter. It is pretty clear exactly what jobs are in the most basic definition. Party roles for the already existing classes. The only way a black mage is not going to have heal spells, if we go by exactly what was said, is if they removed cure from conjurer or another class unlocks it, such as Thaumaturge.

[Physic]

they did say certain skills will be limited in certain jobs, they never mention if it will be from the job that unlocked it

[Sorel]

Adjust my what? Please don't make assumptions about my current state of emotion.

I apologize. Tone comes across poorly in soulless ASCII. I meant no insult.

[Wynn]

they did say certain skills will be limited in certain jobs, they never mention if it will be from the job that unlocked it

Jobs

The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.

Also, job does not equal class.

In the most literal sense,these words read to me as: if Conjurer unlocks Black Mage you have to be on Conjurer to equip Black Mage. You are still the class "Conjurer" you just have Black Mage as your defined party role and get buffs and abilities that would befit a Black Mage. It does not remove your original Conjurer abilites. You can't, for example, equip some skills from Lancer or even Thaumaturge, but that doesn't take away your own classes skills.

However, this assumes that Conjurer keeps the cure spell line. After the battle update, they may rearrange those skills and make Thaumaturge the healer archetype. That part is uncertain. It also assumes Conjurer unlocks Black Mage, which just makes sense given the elemental nukes are Conjurer abilities currently. However, they could decide Thaumaturge unlocks Black Mage for some odd reason. Or they could reassign elemental nukes to Thaums post battle update. We don't know about all that just yet.

What we do know, according to what has been told to us by these quoted words above is that the only abilities we are locked out of are other classes abilities (read: not the class you are on which unlocked the job, but other classes) in exchange for more specialized abilities from the job. Unless the letter was worded wrong in translation, I have to go by what is literally stated. We really all should, otherwise we will get more "SE lied to us" posts by people that assumed incorrectly.

[Wynn]

I apologize. Tone comes across poorly in soulless ASCII. I meant no insult.

I accept your apology and I apologize as well. I mean no insult to anyone here either.