New jobs upcoming, new tanks?

[Kadesh]

Everyone who is saying FFXI DRK was aggression only that was only during 75 cap content. DRK got a Total of 7 defensive skills after they raised the level cap to 99.

• Drain, a self heal
• Drain 2, a self heal that boosted max hp
• Dark seal, increased the amount of hp you could drain through accuracy
• Nether Void, increased the amount of hp you could drain
• Dread Spikes, drained hp every time you took damage and gets a bonus from max hp increase
• Catastrophe, weapon skill that drains hp
• Entropy, weapon skill that drains mp.

So you could do combos like this.
Dark Seal > Drain to full hp > Nether Void > Drain 2 to max hp +20% > Dread spikes > weapons skill of your choice.

Stacking Nether Void onto Drain 2 then dread Spike with that hp bonus did a ton of mitigation, and If you needed more mp to cast drains and dread spikes you had Entropy to get mp back. Or if you took a few hits and still have enough mp you could top off your hp with Catastrophe.

[Gandora]

Everyone who is saying FFXI DRK was aggression only that was only during 75 cap content. DRK got a Total of 7 defensive skills after they raised the level cap to 99.


Stacking Nether Void onto Drain 2 then dread Spike with that hp bonus did a ton of mitigation, and If you needed more mp to cast drains and dread spikes you had Entropy to get mp back. Or if you took a few hits and still have enough mp you could top off your hp with Catastrophe.

Well, even with all of that no one brought DRK to tank, not even something as easy as Briareus or Fafnir at Lv99, somes "might" have done it, does not mean its the way to go. Dread spike had an aweful recast & a very short duration. Also did you mention Catastrophe? lol Its like saying a PLD need Holy shield to tank in FFXIV.

Someone was saying "DRK can be a tank which can use its HP to deal damage." Because a tank is supposed to burn his HP down to deal damages, especialy on boss such as Titan, right guys?

[Kadesh]

Well, even with all of that no one brought DRK to tank, not even something as easy as Briareus or Fafnir at Lv99

No one is saying at 99 that DRK is a better tank than PLD or NIN, but yes I would tank low lv Abyssea NM or Dynamis boss if no one else was around.

Also did you mention Catastrophe? lol Its like saying a PLD need Holy shield to tank in FFXIV.

A lot of people have relic scyth now, its not a big deal. Also they are making it so you dont need relic to use this weapon skill.


Also the point wasn't DRK is a tank in FFXI at 99, the point is DRK have several deffensive abilities at 99 where most people are saying they have none.

[Gandora]

A lot of people have relic scyth now, its not a big deal. Also they are making it so you dont need relic to use this weapon skill.

Yes now, at 75 cap, when you needed a pair of BLM to sleep things in dyna not everyone had a relic, it was a prestige, now any beginner can have one lol, even back at cap 75, it would not allow a DRK to tank.

In case you missed the point, this thread is about new possible tank with ppl proposing DRK to be filling this role.

[Gandora]

Also the point wasn't DRK is a tank in FFXI at 99, the point is DRK have several deffensive abilities at 99 where most people are saying they have none.

I am sorry but you mentionned drain, which is already in XIV sort of & which is called Inner beast (WAR) then you mentionned Drain 2, which heal & increase max HP, funnily enough WAR has a similar cure, and again funnily, both these 2 WAR abilities have a recast/CD that can be compared to Drain & Drain II.

You mentionned Catastroph which drain HP, WAR has a WS that drain HP, ohh & guess what, it also has a job ability that make you drain HP on each hit (WS/non WS)

And I mention it again, if DRK was coming in FFXIV, it could not be a tank, using your HP to deal more damage in order to keep hate is wrong, esp for a tank who need survivability, burning HP isn't..

[TirionCrey]

Everyone who is saying FFXI DRK was aggression only that was only during 75 cap content. DRK got a Total of 7 defensive skills after they raised the level cap to 99.

• Drain, a self heal
• Drain 2, a self heal that boosted max hp
• Dark seal, increased the amount of hp you could drain through accuracy
• Nether Void, increased the amount of hp you could drain
• Dread Spikes, drained hp every time you took damage and gets a bonus from max hp increase
• Catastrophe, weapon skill that drains hp
• Entropy, weapon skill that drains mp.

I dont know what FFXI you played but the one I played during 75 cap, my DRK had Drain, Drain 2, Dark Seals and Dread Spikes already. And Catastrophe was the Relic Scythe or Great Sword Weapon Skill, can't remember which one it was. And never could I tank anything on DRK back then. The only times I ever tanked and actually got healed was when I Soul Eater Kraken Club'ed the shit out of things.

[Kadesh]

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At NA launch time DRK had drain 1 and less than 0.001% of the population could get relic scythe. They added things slowly over the years to get everything they have now. Most only coming after TOA. And no, pre 99 even with defensive abilities DRK could not tank. It was Only after hast gear being achievable and lowering cool downs on spells that made it possible. Everyone with a 99 could have capped haste for spells without spending a lot of time or money on gear so drains came fast.

Also I think you are missing my point, I'm not saying DRK was a tank in ffxi, I'm saying DRK was not the defenseless glass cannon people are making it out to be.