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  1. #41
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    Totall off topic, but:

    Quote Originally Posted by TirionCrey View Post
    ...how are you gonna utilize 6 Tanks and 6 Healers in there w/o some of the Tanks/Healers to be pretty much useless?
    Very, very, very easily. i.e.:

    1) Boss fight with a main boss and 5 adds that CANNOT be killed, slept, kited, or otherwise dealt with, they each require one tank to hold them down. The adds do a 4k conical frontal AE every 15s that only hits you if you are NOT wearing heavy armor (DRG/WAR/PLD), but don't do a TON of damage otherwise, so 3 off-tanks can he healed by 1 healer.
    2) Bosses with a huge weakness to slashing damage.
    3) A total zerg "FATE" style boss. Something like a slime boss that splits every time you get it to 50% (ala copperbell mines), but it does it 30 or so times, making just an absolute crap ton of mobs that need to be aggroed in different sections of the zone.
    4) 3 Bosses at once that will have AEs that are multiplicative if they overlap, or if the health of the mobs get too far out of sync.
    5) A beefed up hydra whose triumvirate can hit up to 6 people and it needs to split up as much as possible.
    6) A boss that does an AE that does damage equal to the 7th highest person's health at 50% hit points, killing everyone outright except the tanks, who then have 15-30 seconds to kill adds/hit levers/do emotes to give everyone a full rez.

    LOTS of stuff you can do. LOTS.
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    Last edited by Ehayte; 11-12-2013 at 12:26 AM.

  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gandora View Post
    No one said the opposite, thats why I used the word "current" in my phrase, which mean its not definite. Apply that to the game, it wouldn't be logic for SE to make a tank with a 2handed weapon when the one they already have is unbalanced & they don't know what do do with it.
    The fact they are using a 2-handed weapon has nothing to do with why they are unbalanced, try again.
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  3. #43
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    Tank 1: ...Shit! Everyone's DEAD!!!
    Tank 2: Quickly! You! Dance a merry jig! You! Strike a pose! You! Cheer your heart out! The rest of us will run laps for 15 seconds! GO!!!
    Everyone does their thing...
    Raid is magically insta-rezzed with full hp, mp, and TP...
    Boss is stunned for 2 minutes due to utter shock.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenji1134 View Post
    Tank 1: ...Shit! Everyone's DEAD!!!
    Tank 2: Quickly! You! Dance a merry jig! You! Strike a pose! You! Cheer your heart out! The rest of us will run laps for 15 seconds! GO!!!
    Everyone does their thing...
    Raid is magically insta-rezzed with full hp, mp, and TP...
    Boss is stunned for 2 minutes due to utter shock.
    How does that not sound awesome to you!?

    And remember the dance from FFIX that Freya did with the Cleryaites? We could to do that!
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    Last edited by Ehayte; 11-12-2013 at 12:58 AM.

  5. #45
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    Loken Kaiser
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    A lot of people are comparing this game to FFXI. Let's point out some real things first. This game it is not like FFXI and the devs are trying to stay away from it. The only thing that resembles 11 is that your job depends on the weapon you equip other than that..nothing alike. This game does relate a lot to how FFTactics operates. As in the weapon and the classes relate to each other. Now with this in mind, I can see how DRK can be a DD or a Tank, DRK wear heavy armour and stack a lot of defense. Their ability to be able to steal life can also be used to this advantage, their ability to give life for damage is the other side = DD. I CAN NOT see SAM being a tank. simply because they 2Hand Katanas for more damage and crit, the ability to parry because of having a strong grip comes as a bonus. Also in Tactics they were mid-range melee with some "magic" AOE. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post
    Now, as to what classes actually fit this mold, there are a few of them: Berserker (high hp, high evasion; as a tank, likely based off of PGL)
    I hate to burst your bubble but Berserker is far from a tank. Not to mention the fact that the Berserker's iconic core skill, Berserk, is already utilized as a non cross class ability for Marauders. I think if Puglists were to get a tank Job, which is more than likely considering their skill set, it would be something more like a white monk or something that doesn't stray too far from the fist fighting discipline.

    Also Dark Knights would make terrible tanks. We already have a tank that can self heal and it isn't even that great, just imagine what a tank that does the opposite would be like.
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  7. #47
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    I'm pretty sure Musketeer is coming soon.... There are already a few little "Easter eggs" in the game that would suggest it. I.E. if you go into the your FC emblem edit thing, there is a sign for each job in the game AND 1 extra, 1 with 2 pistols crossed... So here's to hoping.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    The fact they are using a 2-handed weapon has nothing to do with why they are unbalanced, try again.
    No one said that, try reading & trolling again.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    The fact they are using a 2-handed weapon has nothing to do with why they are unbalanced, try again.
    No one said that, try reading & trolling again.

    I am stating a fact, which is that WAR is more commonly used as a DD in generality, a great axe is generaly a Damage dealing weapon. At the begining of XI, WAR was also used as a tank, their AF was full of enmity+, with the time & level cap increase they started to get DDs abilities. I could happen in XIV as well.

    Now maybe what I said can be confusing but the true meaning is, they are not gonna make the same mistake twice, since they don't really know how to fix an already existing tank.
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    Last edited by Gandora; 11-12-2013 at 01:46 AM.

  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    Because weapon aesthetics is what is breaking WAR.
    No i believe what he means is the way classes/jobs are solely based on the weapon you hold and typically a 2 handed great axe is a weapon used to do a lot of damage and not mitigate damage. Thus the WAR class being built around its weapon functions weird. Now do not get me wrong I actually love the fact that you are just a BAMF walking around in semi-armored viking suit and beating people with your axe and not dying. This makes me happy.
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