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[FinagleABagel]

You don't save time, so don't listen to who says healers should dps, just focus on healing and everything will be fine.
I'm really glad you could understand what healing is, most of Black Mages get to heal parties really bad because they don't understand that for a healer heal>damage.
Keep up with the good work and become a strong healer

I'm working real hard to not get belligerent with you. How much more data do you need to show that healers DO SIGNIFICANT DPS at end game? Granted, this guy is a lower level - the difference is going to be small and the total damage likely to be insignificant.

However, please - please - please stop spreading false information. Once you hit relic+DL you have the strongest DoTs in the game (sch). You have one of the best AoEs in the game (whm). When you run in a group like that and you aren't DPS'ing WP and AK you are doing something wrong. Period.

[YanDere]

I'm working real hard to not get belligerent with you.

If you want a calm discussion, I can talk with you, but don't get angry because healers are healing and not dpsing.
Yes, I can spam Holy (which is the SECOND more powerful attack after Flare), but I don't have Umbral Ice to instantly recover all my MPs, I will waste 500 MP out of 4000, and this is not what I want.
I tried to use Holy, and the difference is INSIGNIFICANT. Stop saying that Holy is powerful, because it's really slow and expensive, and this makes it really weak.
When you run WP or AK, using 9999 Stone II or not using it at all, DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING, the run time will be 30 sec less if you did it well, but if you dps so well then you are NOT healing.
I'm a healer, I heal. I make a 20 min speedrun of AK even without dpsing.
So, if in a lv50 istance dpsing is useless, wht should I say about lv24 dps healing? Just, heal. You (and your party) need nothing more.

[FinagleABagel]

Holy crap. I contribute at least 5 minutes on every single AK run I'm in.

Ok, so when I can run off, kill a set of mobs (by myself), while healing our tank who is killing another set of mobs - I'm not saving time? Give me a freaking break. I doubt you've seen any top tier healer in action. Take advantage of the overgear you *will* experience by the time you get a few ilevel 90 items.

Even when I didn't have massive overgear, I was contributing - particularly on bosses. You can't just constantly pull more mobs because there is a limit on AoE effectiveness (ie. Bane hits +3 targets).

You've got the toolkit, to not use it is ridiculous.

Your argument amounts to a telling a BLM to never sleep because his job is a DPS. Most jobs have a dotted role line. A healer can tank or DPS. A DPS can deal damage or support. The only role I'd argue has a solid line, is the tank.

[YanDere]

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Ooooh *clapclap* you can beat a set of enemies! Then, why don't you solo a whole dungeon? You're so skilled!
And how did you calculate those 5 minutes you contribute? Now it's you that have to give me a break.
Just buff your party with your pet and heal, you'll contribute much more than killing enemies by yourself. And if you really contribute for 5 five minutes less, then your party must REALLY suck and make 80 minutes runs of Sastasha.
Black Mages CAN Sleep enemies.
White Mages CAN dps.
Tanks CAN dps.
But none of these actions are actually a great gain in speed of the runs.

[FinagleABagel]

Ooooh *clapclap* you can beat a set of enemies! Then, why don't you solo a whole dungeon? You're so skilled!
And how did you calculate those 5 minutes you contribute? Now it's you that have to give me a break.
Just buff your party with your pet and heal, you'll contribute much more than killing enemies by yourself. And if you really contribute for 5 five minutes less, then your party must REALLY suck and make 80 minutes runs of Sastasha.
Black Mages CAN Sleep enemies.
White Mages CAN dps.
Tanks CAN dps.
But none of these actions are actually a great gain in speed of the runs.

Super easy. I take a group in and pour on the DPS. I take the same group in and don't DPS. There's a difference.

The whole point is to take advantage of over gear. Most 50 dungeons aren't tuned for someone with full DL, which is quite easy to get.

[YanDere]

Super easy. I take a group in and pour on the DPS. I take the same group in and don't DPS. There's a difference.

The whole point is to take advantage of over gear. Most 50 dungeons aren't tuned for someone with full DL, which is quite easy to get.

Not everytime you run a dungeon you'll get the same time.
It can be 10-15 minutes less even in the same gear, with the same dps.
WHM or SCH dps time gain is NOTHING compared not to get hit by a Tomberry Stalker or not to die from a Mountain Buster.
I never dps, and I always make good runs in few minutes, and when I have nothing to do, I do nothing, I just keep watching at the tank and maybe I Stoneskin someone te better protect everyone. I suggest not to dps, if you want to do it then dps the shit out of your cane, I don't care.
I'm out of this post

[FinagleABagel]

Not everytime you run a dungeon you'll get the same time.
It can be 10-15 minutes less even in the same gear, with the same dps.
WHM or SCH dps time gain is NOTHING compared not to get hit by a Tomberry Stalker or not to die from a Mountain Buster.
I never dps, and I always make good runs in few minutes, and when I have nothing to do, I do nothing, I just keep watching at the tank and maybe I Stoneskin someone te better protect everyone. I suggest not to dps, if you want to do it then dps the shit out of your cane, I don't care.
I'm out of this post

Huh? The variance isn't anywhere as high as that. I don't run AKs that are slower than 30 minutes. Are you saying that I could be doing at 15 minutes?

Also, why is it a binary choice? I can DPS and save my tank from Mountain Buster.

You even admit you do nothing....no one should find that acceptable.

[Vasaan-Dragomir]

This back and forth is ridiculous. And browbeating others to make your point is a waste of time and shows arrogance and ignorance. I hardly have the downtime to dps because I'm constantly stuck with suicidal tanks who think I'm God and can heal them through anything, without any DL gear or relic +1. Working on obtaining those now. Because of this, I'm usually trained onto the tank without realizing he doesn't need healing, because it's a mental reflex to be wary. But when I feel safe enough to insta off a flare in boss or mob fights, I do. But I'm just skittish about change bars to dps even for a split second with the type of tanks I always manage to get.

[Whippet]

This back and forth is ridiculous. And browbeating others to make your point is a waste of time and shows arrogance and ignorance. I hardly have the downtime to dps because I'm constantly stuck with suicidal tanks who think I'm God and can heal them through anything, without any DL gear or relic +1. Working on obtaining those now. Because of this, I'm usually trained onto the tank without realizing he doesn't need healing, because it's a mental reflex to be wary. But when I feel safe enough to insta off a flare in boss or mob fights, I do. But I'm just skittish about change bars to dps even for a split second with the type of tanks I always manage to get.

Stop using duty finder

[Vasaan-Dragomir]

Stop using duty finder

And waste even more time shouting for groups? No thank you. Some of us can't play all day and shout repeatedly for groups in the emote infested Revenant's Toll. Besides, the way I see it, terrible tanks allow me to better learn how to play my class and perform in my role and get more comfortable with assisting with damage when I can: by allowing me to better assess a situation for allowed time to loose off a few DoTs or a swiftcasted flare. I'd rather people stop being so elitist and arrogant. It's a game for crying out loud. Let people learn their roles and class, get gear... and THEN show your ugly elitist colors. Being elitist in ak/wp situations is uber fail on your part. So pull the large sticks out your butts (by the way, that wasn't directed at the person I'm quoting) and enjoy something and be patient with people still learning. Diversity in player skill is a good thing and allows for player contribution.