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[Jyoeru]

I'm working real hard to not get belligerent with you. How much more data do you need to show that healers DO SIGNIFICANT DPS at end game? Granted, this guy is a lower level - the difference is going to be small and the total damage likely to be insignificant.

However, please - please - please stop spreading false information. Once you hit relic+DL you have the strongest DoTs in the game (sch). You have one of the best AoEs in the game (whm). When you run in a group like that and you aren't DPS'ing WP and AK you are doing something wrong. Period.

You has your relic and are still playing WP/AK? You must like zeh punishments.

[Urthdigger]

You has your relic and are still playing WP/AK? You must like zeh punishments.

Right, because obtaining a relic means you suddenly have no need for mythology tokens ever again.

[FinagleABagel]

You has your relic and are still playing WP/AK? You must like zeh punishments.

Yeah, I have a relic and 6 ilevel 90 items. Still missing my gloves, belt, belt, and ring. As I see it - I have a few more weeks of AK/WP left before I'm full ilevel 90.

The bigger the buffer vs. Twintania the better.

[Ralemont]

Now, you are lv24, so I would suggest not to dps, it's useless in low level dungeons.

I don't agree with this at all. DPS away, especially when in lower level dungeons you have less non-DPS spells to cast. What else are you going to do? Cure Cure stand there for 5 seconds until the tank gets hit twice then Cure? DPS away. I'm more than capable of sleeping, healing, and DPSing in low-level dungeons. Perhaps you aren't comfortable with it, but the only way to *get* comfortable is practice....while keeping the tank alive obviously.

[Tanaya]

This is going to be another dps thread isn't it?

[FinagleABagel]

This is going to be another dps thread isn't it?

If it must be, sure. Some people need to get figuratively beaten over the head with data.

Also - reading comprehension.

[ReviiLagoon]

Once you become a good healer, you realize that not every encounter is approached the same way. In AK / WP for example, I always sit in cleric stance and dps the entire dungeon and let my fairy do all the healing. In primals it's a mix of healing / dps, in Coil it's almost entirely healing, outside of a few select moments when you can dps. As a SCH my method of healing and using Aetherflow charges is completely different in Coil as it is everywhere else as well, simply because accuracy is a huge issue, so i never use energy drain, only lustrate / sacred soil

Healers need to adapt to a situation, learn the fights, know how to react and prepare for things to happen, and have incredibly good situational awareness. What do DPS have to do? Know a DPS rotation, dodge, and whatever mechanics the boss does. They could probably care less knowing what their other dps are doing, but with a healer, if you know what your other healer is doing or is going to do, it makes things go much smoother

[Ghishlain]

Healers need to adapt to a situation, learn the fights, know how to react and prepare for things to happen, and have incredibly good situational awareness.

The above on so many levels. If anyone can take anything from this discussion, it's THIS QUOTE right here.

You will run into a variety of situations as a healer and you need to understand how to adapt to them. You want to have an acute understanding of your tool kit and what you are and are not capable of handling on your own and how and how you can react to surprises or unexpected spikes. You want to know how to gauge your groups effectiveness and what liberties you have with that group.

IE
-Running Bahamut's Coil? HEAL ALL THE THINGS!
-Doing AK / WP with a set group? You'll probably be able to DPS through most of it with the odd heal here or there
-AoE speed run AK / WP with a set group? You'll know what to do because it's exactly defined what's expected
-AK / WP with PUGs from DF? Be a bit conservative so you can gauge the group then make your decision based on that

A good healer is one who can keep their party alive.

An exceptional healer is one who can keep their party alive and have very little down time doing so. Whether this means just chain healing because of bad tank / DPS or being able to contribute your own DPS to the fray, you are reducing your idle time while being aware for any "O SNAP" scenarios that may occur.

[SeraviEdalborez]

-AK / WP with PUGs from DF? Be a bit conservative so you can gauge the group then make your decision based on that

Absolutely this. People act like it's an impossible feat in DF. It really isn't, you just need the wisdom/experience to know your limits and guesstimate those of the party/tank. I rarely ever take a premade group into DF.

Also while I certainly can't keep doing it for long, I find the time to DPS even on Twintania for a few seconds as SCH (tank runs into conflagration). I wouldn't recommend it to anyone and everyone for Coil and I'm not saying we're a difference-maker if it's that infrequent, but it's not impossible to allot time for these purposes..

[MXMoondoggie]

Not doing DPS when you have gaps is just plain lazy and pointless. What are you doing when nobody needs healing? Twiddling your thumbs? Sipping your coffee? I find it hilarious that you don't think Holy does significant DPS. Not counting crits with a Relic weapon you are doing 600-700 damage to each target plus stun on the first one. 3-4 Holy then recover mana and refresh heals and that's 2400-2800 damage not counting crits from just you. If you add damage from your DoT's in cleric stance it's even more significant damage. Ever DPS on Demon Wall? It's insanely fast if the healer does DPS before the bees appear. Or second boss in WP. Watch what Holy does to the adds XD. It's hilarious.

Why are you even worried about Mana? If you are smart enough you'll use Shroud or carry pots for that. Better yet having a Bard in the party makes it even easier to DPS. You are throwing excuses in to be lazy.