Market Wards vs AH

[ShinChuck]

Maybe it's just me, but the Market Wards already are an AH. SE intended to use them in a different way, but after all the moaning they almost mutilated it to keep players from leaving. Still demanding an AH is kind of funny, as we already have it.
Well, that's just my 2 cents anyway.

True, but you're taking people too literally. Most people who are asking for an AH aren't asking for a new, literal AH building or bust. They're asking for a system that meets the standards set by a traditional AH, whether it's scrapping the Wards and setting up a new system *or* simply upgrading the Wards that offer all the same things. Almost anybody asking for an AH would be perfectly happy with upgraded Wards that fit all those same standards and needs.

What we are asking for is the standards of the AH concept to be met, not necessarily an entirely new building with "Auction House" written on it if the concept can be realized through other means.

[Abriael]

True, but you're taking people too literally. Most people who are asking for an AH aren't asking for a new, literal AH building or bust. They're asking for a system that meets the standards set by a traditional AH, whether it's scrapping the Wards and setting up a new system *or* simply upgrading the Wards that offer all the same things. Almost anybody asking for an AH would be perfectly happy with upgraded Wards that fit all those same standards and needs.

What we are asking for is the standards of the AH concept to be met, not necessarily an entirely new building with "Auction House" written on it if the concept can be realized through other means.

nah shin. That's exactly the problem. If you read through this thread you'll notice that most "AH-fans" (at least around here) aren't asking for that. They're asking for a rather abstract entity that's named "Auction House", looks like an "auction House", works exactly like an "Auction House" in their favourite game of choice.
If the market wards were to evolve in something that has the full functionality of an "Auction House", but they were still called "Market Wards", it still wouldn't be good for them.

Metracritic is pretty good, and your argument that the reviews of this game are outdated blablablabla, well they dont hold water, when you consider that the population of this game, is Worse than when those reviews came out

If the game was 100% better than when it was released well.... where are the players ?

Aside from the fact that lately I've been seeing a lot of people from the first months come back, you're skipping a link.
You assume that players that left the game previously know that the game is improved, and that the game is improved enough for them to come back, or simply don't have anything better to do with their lives.

Denying that the game has improved massively since launch is (which doesn't mean that there still isn't a truckton of room for improvement), honestly, extremely laughable. But you're free to do that if you like the idea of publicly looking like a fool.

Reviews of this game are outdated simply because many of the flaws they complain about simply don't exist anymore, or have been largely mitigated.

[ShinChuck]

nah shin. That's exactly the problem. If you read through this thread you'll notice that most "AH-fans" (at least around here) aren't asking for that. They're asking for a rather abstract entity that's named "Auction House", looks like an "auction House", works exactly like an "Auction House" in their favourite game of choice.
If the market wards were to evolve in something that has the full functionality of an "Auction House", but they were still called "Market Wards", it still wouldn't be good for them.

For unreasonable people, yes, it wouldn't be good for them. Some people will NEVER be happy. But it's also highly unreasonable to say that given all the same benefits and options of an AH, just without actually calling it an AH, most people would still be saying, "I want an AH!"

A rose is a rose by any other name, and people can smell an Auction House, even if it's called "Market Wards" still.

[trinta]

If the market wards were to evolve in something that has the full functionality of an "Auction House", but they were still called "Market Wards", it still wouldn't be good for them.

Link me to the post where anyone asked for a functioning Auction House and said that they won't accept it if it's still called "Market Wards". Then, and only then, will I consider this ridiculous statement to be credible.

[Xzen]

Link me to the post where anyone asked for a functioning Auction House and said that they won't accept it if it's still called "Market Wards". Then, and only then, will I consider this ridiculous statement to be credible.

Well... thats kind of what they are going towards now but people are asking for them to scrap that and just start over and call it an AH.

[Abriael]

Well... thats kind of what they are going towards now but people are asking for them to scrap that and just start over and call it an AH.

This. 10chars.

[trinta]

Well... thats kind of what they are going towards now but people are asking for them to scrap that and just start over and call it an AH.

Again, citation please.

[Xzen]

Again, citation please.

You're a big boy/girl. Go read back through the last 11 pages of this thread.

[trinta]

You're a big boy/girl. Go read back through the last 11 pages of this thread.

See, that's the thing, I have read this thread. And I must have overlooked where people are insisting that the name "Market Wards" must be abolished. Surely the people who *did* see these claims would be more able to locate them again.

[ShinChuck]

Well... thats kind of what they are going towards now but people are asking for them to scrap that and just start over and call it an AH.

But people would be content with a new system from the ground up *or* a fully functioning AH even if they're still called "Wards".

Think about it this way: you want pizza, but I give you some uncooked dough. Okay, that's not what you want. So I take that dough, fix it up, call it "ShinChuck Surprise" (insert joke!), and it looks, tastes, smells, and feels like a great pizza, you and the vast majority of people asking for "pizza" are not going to be eating my creation thinking, "Man, but I still want pizza, this is ShinChuck Surprise, not pizza."

"When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck." It's absurdly unreasonable to accuse everyone asking for an AH as being so unreasonable they would not accept a fully-featured Wards that met AH standards, let alone insulting to imply we're too dumb apparently to appreciate a rose because it's called "stenchblossom" even though a rose is exactly what we want.