White Mage PSA on Myth Tomes.

[Nettle]

Pfff all of you WHMs arguing about whether or not to get the AF+1 chest to get out of DL.... just be grateful your BiS chest doesn't make you look like an overweight tertiary character out of the Harry Potter universe.

[Kolobo]

I can see it now in Revenant: " looking for +1 relic allagan chest Cleric's Culottes (...) for WP speed run!"

[dragonflyseksparade]

lol
ss > det
thread fail.

[IveraIvalice]

updated original post with notes and such. Just like to point out that I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone and that it's all just advice. I don't want a end-game focused player using tomes willy-nilly without information backed behind it. If you decide to get the AF2 chest because of (reason) then that's great, but this PSA is for those interested in spending tomes that will give them the most bang for their buck. I apologize for not making that clear from the get go and hope no one felt attacked or personally offended.

I appreciate the clarification, I may have jumped on the defensive train alittle early.
I am an end game focused player but I also don't have more then a single full day to play. Since almost all my time goes to getting my 300 for the week, it's usually a few weeks before I can get a relic. I would rather get my af body now then to have 2000 saved up by the time I get relic. Even still I do a lot of end game things with my FC and I plan to do coil when I can find some people who haven't already done it on a Sunday. And when I do, I'm sure I'll be fine. But since this thread isn't for people who are in my situation, I'll just leave the discussion to you guys

[CamAlch]

While it may not technically be BIS, the differences are very minor. So unless your goal is min maxing, get whichever you would like.

I'm in the camp that believes skillful play is more important than a very minor difference in stats points. And it is minor. Its the just the secondary stats that are different and they aren't going to make or break anything for you.

I grabbed the Clerics body because I like the way it looks. Enough said.

However if you looking at the most efficient way to spend your tomes, going for the body first is probably not it.

(Also just a side note its not actually called AF2. They are adding a new AF2 set in a later patch, which they have confirmed and images shown indicate this new set is actually called AF2. Just to save on any future confusion)

[GalaxyGirl]

I am confused as to why you think +1 is mandatory in coil?

It isn't.

Actually I'm in turn 5, getting twintania to around 40%, and the biggest problem is over healing, even with shroud and interrupts. If you intend on beating turn 5 anytime soon, you probably should look into survivability and get the body pieces and belt first for the huge vit upgrades. (Whether it's allagan or aF) also, astral jewelry exist for a reason unless you're a scrub whm. You socket materia according to the main pieces you have.

And just like others said, ss and det have such little impact that it won't even matter, if you're over healing you're a problem, if you can't keep your tank topped off without +1, then you're depending on gear to be a good healer.

[Shiji]

I am confused as to why you think +1 is mandatory in coil?

Actually I'm in turn 5, getting twintania to around 40%, and the biggest problem is over healing, even with shroud and interrupts. If you intend on beating turn 5 anytime soon, you probably should look into survivability and get the body pieces and belt first for the huge vit upgrades. (Whether it's allagan or aF) also, astral jewelry exist for a reason unless you're a scrub whm. You socket materia according to the main pieces you have.

And just like others said, ss and det have such little impact that it won't even matter, if you're over healing you're a problem, if you can't keep your tank topped off without +1, then you're depending on gear to be a good healer.

Where in my post did I say "+1 is mandatory for coil". I feel some people here are somehow getting the wrong idea. This thread was made so that people looking to min/max or get the most effective upgrades out of their characters can have a simple guideline. This is simply put a guide line that someone can follow in preparation for coil. Nothing more or less than that. I'm not saying people who buy Mythtome chest are bad at all. I am however saying that if you are looking for the biggest upgrade it's not myth chest first it's Thryus+1. Unless however you have a terrible chest piece then obviously it's not Thyrus+1. This guide was made under the assumption that most people spending myth would have at least most DL if not all DL.

Also like to point out that the Thyrus +1 GIVES vit along with other things so I don't understand how it doesn't add to your HP. Also keep in mind not only stats but the fact that Thyrus+1 is an increase to Magic Damage which is a modifier for our healing.

Doing the math Thyrus +1 gives about 5vit which turns out to be a 75hp upgrade and a HUGE healing upgrade VS AF1.5 Chest ( or Myth chest w/e you want to call it) which gives a 7 vit upgrade so in the difference of HP it's about a 30hp upgrade choosing Chest over Thyrus+1 and losing out on potential heals as the weapon is vastly superior.

Also as a side note I understand Twintania requirements and I have far more hp than necessary for T5 and currently on T5 and I certainly didn't get there with my gear but rather with individual skill. It's just interesting that in all videos and Screen Shot's of Twin kills there has yet to be a single WHM healer without a +1... just a bit odd IMO.

While it may not technically be BIS, the differences are very minor. So unless your goal is min maxing, get whichever you would like.

That's exactly the goal. If you are end-game progression raiding you want to have the best possible edge on anything and while the differences are minor they can make all the difference. Min/max, use food, practice till your fingers bleed etc.

[Raenryong]

I'm in the camp that believes skillful play is more important than a very minor difference in stats points. And it is minor. Its the just the secondary stats that are different and they aren't going to make or break anything for you.

An aspect of skilful play is outfitting yourself for maximum performance.

And just like others said, ss and det have such little impact that it won't even matter, if you're over healing you're a problem, if you can't keep your tank topped off without +1, then you're depending on gear to be a good healer.

Everyone depends on gear to be a good healer to a certain degree. This is a game based on mathematical equations and gear statistics; weaker gear will always output inferior healing.

What kind of tank can't keep threat from healing by the way? Do they have +1 weapons?

[Thunderz]

So many fail WHM in this thread I don't even

[CamAlch]

An aspect of skilful play is outfitting yourself for maximum performance.

Well that is ONE aspect of it. There is also knowing your job and how to effectively utilize its skill set. Being quick on your feet and developing a good reaction time and intuitive thinking during combat. Knowing the roles of your party members and their strengths and weaknesses and how that affects what you need to do to be successful. These are also extremely important aspects in attaining "maximum performance."

Good gear does not fixed everything. I have played with many under gear players on various jobs who are able to out perform other players with much better gear simply because they are more skilled and prepared.

And yes gear is a VERY large piece of the puzzle, but the point I was making in my post was that AF+1 and Allagan ARE comparable. Is one better than the other? Of course. But the difference is so negligible that it is going to save your if you aren't investing effort into developing your skills in addition to your gear.

That's exactly the goal. If you are end-game progression raiding you want to have the best possible edge on anything and while the differences are minor they can make all the difference. Min/max, use food, practice till your fingers bleed etc.

That may be your goal, but it is not everyone's. As I already stated if your goal is min/maxing then yes you are correct. But my point was that not everyone's goal is to min/max until their fingers bleed, and that's ok. Players cans till be successful in end game and enjoy themselves without always following what's considered BIS. And isn't that the goal of the game? To enjoy yourself?