The Solo disease?

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Then I retract my reply, though I have no answer to your comment as I do not see how it relates to the topic at hand.


I may have been a little harsh in my reply, sorry. To interact with them socially, and enjoy their company socially, does not mean form an official game mechanic group to play the game with.


Oh I love it. Though its not quite my reasoning for solo play, it does contribute. I love being in a party where they tell me exactly how I should play my job, exactly what skills to use, at exactly what time. I might as well be a bot


My OP was not an opinion piece. I stated that me, and other soloists, solo because we enjoy it. The post was about the reason that I solo. And the reason is fact, not opinion. The fact that I enjoy soloing is not open to opinion. You cannot disagree and say that no, I (as in me) do not enjoy soloing (which would be the dissenting or opposite opinion of my OP). The thread was hijacked by those who thought that I was expressing an opinion about soloing being better than grouping, or (as the thread goes on, any number of things, including my supposed "made up" demands for the game to change!) I know I argue semantics, but its important when the whole intent of my OP can change based on a few key ideas. I do not claim that soloing is better than grouping, or that anything is better than anything else. Just that I personally love to solo and I do it as a choice, as do most of my MMORPG playing friends. We do, its true.

Not that I mind the derailment really. I like to have discussions, I just want the record straight for what my OP intended, and that was simply to say that all soloists are not soloing as our only option, we (at least a lot of us, I cannot speak for everyone) are doing it because we enjoy it.

"I stated that me, and other soloists, solo because we enjoy it" your opinion is not the opinion of every "soloist", i still call your post an opinion because you label your self in a sub group and claim to have the same view as everyone in said group, with no real way to validify that claim.

using your same argumentative tactics above Opinion: a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. Stating that you and a group of people (which is an inference in and of itself) are soloists and that you enjoy final fantasy for is solo content and solo possibilities is in and of it self a view or opinion, thus making your post a opinion piece.

"Then I retract my reply, though I have no answer to your comment as I do not see how it relates to the topic at hand."

You stated that an MMORPG does not need to have partying in order for it to be massively multiplayer, and i sir stated that i disagree. disagreeing is again not considered off topic.

[thedevilsjester]

"I stated that me, and other soloists, solo because we enjoy it" your opinion is not the opinion of every "soloist"

Where did I use the term EVERY? Where? I said "Me, and other soloists" I didn't say "Me and all other soloists". I included me, and at least two more soloists (it was, after all, plural), and since I know more than two, a lot more, that share my view point on this topic, it is indeed a true statement and does not, as you claim, attempting to represent soloists as a entire group. If you read all of my posts, I often make note of the fact that it is soloists I know, or friends who play MMORPG's too, or mention that I do not talk for every soloist out there. Read them, find them, you will see. In fact, in the very post you quote from I say "(at least a lot of us, I cannot speak for everyone)" I make it very clear that I do not represent all soloists.

using your same argumentative tactics above Opinion: a personal view, attitude, or appraisal. Stating that you and a group of people (which is an inference in and of itself) are soloists and that you enjoy final fantasy for is solo content and solo possibilities is in and of it self a view or opinion, thus making your post a opinion piece.

The definition of the word opinion does not change the fact that it is not an opinion. I solo because I enjoy it. That is a fact. I enjoy playing solo. Again, a fact. Soloing is fun. Opinion (its my own personal view). Do you see the difference? On one you can argue a counter point, saying that soloing isn't fun, and neither of us is right or wrong, thus it is an opinion. The other, you cannot argue that I do not enjoy soloing (because I do) so there can be no dissension about what I personally favor or do not. It is a subtle yet crucial difference that separates an opinion from a statement of fact. (its all in the presenting).

but as far as content goes, almost everything IS solo-able in this game.

No one is debating that. The game is very solo friendly (as I mention in my OP). No one is arguing (in this thread) that anything should be changed, or is not friendly to soloists, or anything remotely of that nature.

For those just joining us, I do not think that the game should be changed. I do not think it needs anything done to it, or that it doesn't present reasonable opportunities to solo. I do not take the stance that soloing is better than grouping, just that I personally enjoy soloing, and many soloists have agreed with me that they enjoy soloing as well, we (I do not speak for all) do not all do it as penance, or because we do not have enough time, or because we cannot find a group, or because we are anti-social, we just like to solo. I am sure there are those who do solo only because they are short on time, or any of the other reasons listed here, and its great that FFXIV allows for this type of content, but some of us like to solo because we find it an enjoyable experience. That is it. In a nutshell. Please, in future posts, do not assume that all soloists secretly want to be in group play, that is all I hope to accomplish with this post, simply to inform.

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Where did I use the term EVERY? Where? I said "Me, and other soloists" I didn't say "Me and all other soloists". I included me, and at least two more soloists (it was, after all, plural), and since I know more than two, a lot more, that share my view point on this topic, it is indeed a true statement and does not, as you claim, attempting to represent soloists as a entire group. If you read all of my posts, I often make note of the fact that it is soloists I know, or friends who play MMORPG's too, or mention that I do not talk for every soloist out there. Read them, find them, you will see.




The definition of the word opinion does not change the fact that it is not an opinion. I solo because I enjoy it. That is a fact. I enjoy playing solo. Again, a fact. Soloing is fun. Opinion. Do you see the difference? On one you can argue a counter point, saying that soloing isn't fun, and neither of us is right or wrong, thus it is an opinion. The other, you cannot argue that I do not enjoy soloing (because I do) so there can be no dissension about what I personally favor or do not.




No one is debating that. The game is very solo friendly (as I mention in my OP). No one is arguing (in this thread) that anything should be changed, or is not friendly to soloists, or anything remotely of that nature.

The statement "I like to solo" is in FACT an opinion. I like to play soccer well guess what there are people the don't like to play soccer so whats that? it makes them two different views thus two different opinions, even though me liking to play soccer is a fact. The fact that you like something dose not dismiss the underlying premise that it is still a view of yours and an opinion.

And even if what you were stating was true why post something nonconstructive such as "i enjoy to play solo" (which is not all of what your post was about) i fail to see the relevance of a post that is as you said "un-discussable", even though you called your statement a "rant" which implies an argument (discussion), which implies two sides, which implies OPINIONS.

Edit: Yes i cant disprove the statement "I solo because I enjoy it" but the rest of your post delves outside of that one statement.

Edit: Argument and Discussion are used interchangeably.

Edit: Yes you never said all soloists but your tone throughout your posts gets awfully close to that, especially when you break yourself and others into two categories (Soloist and Grouper) and turn into the "soloists" spokes person. I too disagreed with Kilta's post but man you were all over that like you were the voice of soloers everywhere.

[thedevilsjester]

The statement "I like to solo" is in FACT an opinion. I like to play soccer well guess what there are people the don't like to play soccer so whats that? it makes them two different views thus two different opinions, even though me liking to play soccer is a fact. The fact that you like something dose not dismiss the underlying premise that it is still a view of yours and an opinion.

And even if what you were stating was true why post something nonconstructive such as "i enjoy to play solo" (which is not all of what your post was about) i fail to see the relevance of a post that is as you said "un-discussable", even though you called your statement a "rant" which implies an argument (discussion), which implies two sides, which implies OPINIONS.

Edit: Yes i cant disprove the statement "I solo because I enjoy it" but the rest of your post delves outside of that one statement.

Edit: Argument and Discussions are used interchangeably.

I see by your Edits that you do understand my point of fact. A rant or a vent, these neither imply discussion or opinion. They are simply a method by which someone...well vents. Lets out their frustrations. That is it. I tried to do so in a constructive manner by which I could shed some light on some reasons that soloists choose to solo, so that in the future, maybe, the cause of my frustration could be avoided. Discussions about that were expected, maybe even questions about why I enjoy soloing, but when a large portion of the posts are about how the game shouldn't be changed to cater more to soloists, or that I should go play another game if I want to demand the game be more solo friendly, (or, hell, the post right above this one) posts that very clearly do not have any relevance to my OP (or, really, any of my posts, since I say time and again that FFXIV doesn't need to change.) then it has most definitely been derailed.

In my opinion it completely ruins the game for one person to be able to kill the roughest, toughest monster in the game that the lore describes as being a badass to the ultimate degree.

I do not know who you are talking to, but not a single person in this thread has ever suggested that the game needs to change, and in fact I even go so far as to talk about this very thing (in your quote) and say that there are times when it makes absolutely no sense to make something soloable (Like killing Bahumut), which is exactly the point you are trying to make...if you are just wanting to preach to the choir, more power to you, but nobody (in this thread) is really arguing against having some content that is just not soloable by its very nature.

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I see by your Edits that you do understand my point of fact. A rant or a vent, these neither imply discussion or opinion. They are simply a method by which someone...well vents. Lets out their frustrations. That is it. I tried to do so in a constructive manner by which I could shed some light on some reasons that soloists choose to solo, so that in the future, maybe, the cause of my frustration could be avoided. Discussions about that were expected, maybe even questions about why I enjoy soloing, but when a large portion of the posts are about how the game shouldn't be changed to cater more to soloists, or that I should go play another game if I want to demand the game be more solo friendly, (or, hell, the post right above this one) posts that very clearly do not have any relevance to my OP (or, really, any of my posts, since I say time and again that FFXIV doesn't need to change.) then it has most definitely been derailed.


I do not know who you are talking to, but not a single person in this thread has ever suggested that the game needs to change, and in fact I even go so far as to talk about this very thing (in your quote) and say that there are times when it makes absolutely no sense to make something soloable (Like killing Bahumut), which is exactly the point you are trying to make...if you are just wanting to preach to the choir, more power to you, but nobody (in this thread) is really arguing against having some content that is just not soloable by its very nature.

If i had known what you had meant in the first place i would have never posted in this thread. Not just yourself but a good number of people on these forums need to be a lot more clear in there OP's. With the animosity in these forums and the various threads that are attempting to lump everyone into different categories of players so that they can claim what needs to be implemented into the game, you need to be as clear as possible in posts, so as not to be confused. You can do what ever you want, however I would suggest against claiming yourself a part of a "group" aka "soloist" and then arbitrarily listing off reasons you enjoy soloing, i cant believe that your surprised at the comments you received in response. By posting in the manner that you did you left a great big gaping window for people to miss interpret your point. When posting in forums you need to clearly lay out the direction in which you want to direct a discussion and not mislead people.

Personally i would have made the thread read "ask a person who likes soloing any question". that way there is no room for people to miss interpret the direction of your post. However this is all assuming that you truly care about posting and constructive discussions.

Edit: A rant is a speech or text that does not present a calm argument; rather, it is typically an enthusiastic speech or talk or lecture on an idea or view. That is what a rant is and you need to mean what you say and say what you mean. By stating that you were on a rant you implied an argument (discussion) which is coupled by opinions.

I know the elements of a discussion which i know you were looking for in your OP -_-