Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[VisRalis]

Just some parse results I did today with my current gear. Was pretty pleased with the results. Still need a lot more gear... But I thought this was interesting enough to share.

The 20 second burst with food and potion of strength is very 'interesting'.

Good to know spamming the potions does pay off!

[pompey_dan]

Just some parse results I did today with my current gear. Was pretty pleased with the results. Still need a lot more gear... But I thought this was interesting enough to share.

These are quite impressive over that period of time, how do you get logrep to do the training dummy ? I wanna try this tonight lol

[Tanama]

In regards to our stat weights

Weapon Damage: 7.54
Strength: 1
Determination: .22
Crit: 0.16
Skill Speed: .146

How up to date is this? I'm getting mixed information regarding the value of crit compared to det. Can anyone link the math behind our valuing of Det over Crit?

Good question. I recall EasyMode posting them but never saw the source or testing of where it all derives from.

[EasymodeX]

It's based on a fairly robust model of Dragoon DPS using valk's damage formulas. Note that there's some contention as to the validity of those formulas in release, but it's the best we have atm.

[Ozpa]

What Accuracy do you need for turn1/2/4 and lastly 5? I don't know if I need to make Button Mushroom Saute or Buttons in a Blanket because I still have 4 60ilvl items (rest DL and +1 lance). My accuracy was in 440-450s I think, not sure.

[THEJOWENS]

@Pompey_dan - You have to setup a custom event. I use a macro to tell logrep when to start and stop. Something like this - /echo Parse[START] and /echo Parse[END] . "Parse" is what logrep will call the event.

[Krisom]

I was using a static rotation I made up before I read this guide it was HT(Sweep) > ID(BfB) > Dis(PS) > CT(Jump) > Frac(Internal Release) > Phleb > TT > VP(LS) > FT(DD) and repeat, skipping CT because of BfB dropping off long before that. Obviously it was inferior to this and I've already got some DPS improvements from 230-240 to 260-270 on a Training Dummy.
Unfortunately I'm thinking I should be doing 300+ with Relic+1 and full DL gear but I haven't got a clue what would be considered bad, average or good DPS on a Dummy. I find it hard to get out of habits so I've been practising this guide for a while to get used to it.

Can anyone give me some information on how much DPS I should being on average on a dummy with this equipment?

[Ayvar]

I was using a static rotation I made up before I read this guide it was HT(Sweep) > ID(BfB) > Dis(PS) > CT(Jump) > Frac(Internal Release) > Phleb > TT > VP(LS) > FT(DD) and repeat, skipping CT because of BfB dropping off long before that. Obviously it was inferior to this and I've already got some DPS improvements from 230-240 to 260-270 on a Training Dummy.
Unfortunately I'm thinking I should be doing 300+ with Relic+1 and full DL gear but I haven't got a clue what would be considered bad, average or good DPS on a Dummy. I find it hard to get out of habits so I've been practising this guide for a while to get used to it.

Can anyone give me some information on how much DPS I should being on average on a dummy with this equipment?

It depends on what abilities you're using and how long you parse. I would recommend not using Spineshatter or DFD as it is unlikely you would use either in a dps rotation since they are better saved for positioning. I'd also stick to using a single Mercy Stroke since more than one is unrealistic, and parse until you run out of TP (after using Invigorate). With Relic+1 and full DL gear this should produce from 260-280 dps. I've had different reports from FFXIVApp and LogRep2, with the former usually parsing lower and the latter higher on dummies. If you use FFXIVApp you should be around 260, and LogRep2 around 280, or at least these are the numbers I have generally received from both programs (give or take 5-10 dps).

Even parsing on dummies is pretty variable though, so I wouldn't put 100% stock in your numbers, but they're good for a general ballpark.

[EasymodeX]

HT(Sweep) > ID(BfB) > Dis(PS) > CT(Jump) > Frac(Internal Release) > Phleb > TT > VP(LS) > FT(DD)

My immediate comment is that you want to stack IR and BFB. Use both BFB and IR at the beginning of the rotation. PS/Jump can wait 2.5 seconds.


Other than that, the rotation in and of itself is average. The alternative rotations are similar but more effective.

Your rotation reads as follows:

H IDC FP TTT
H ID FP TTT

The only/main problem is you are:

(1) Using Fracture as an additional filler instead of TTT in general.
(2) Using ID + DE as a filler without CT / in place of TTT.

Generally I'd advise immediately removing the Fractures since they needlessly space out the rest of your rotation:

H IDC P TTT
H ID P TTT

This is actually a pretty decent rotation overall, although there is some chance of an invalid clip on the second PH. To solve that, ensure you spam jumps or add a Fracture if the first PH is buffed. E.g.:

H IDC P TTT
H IDF P TTT

In theory you can replace the second "ID" with TTTs and alter the rotation and timing. However, to keep it similar to what you are currently doing, I recommend just removing Fracture from your normal rotation (just use it once after you hit BFB/IR to space out the PH).

[Ayvar]

I finally got some Turn 5 time last week and I have not been noticing any misses at 473 accuracy. This is odd since I've seen the 483 number (or whatever it was) everywhere and was assuming I'd be needing food to make it through.

It's possible this was just RNG so I'll actually run some parses and pay close attention this week to get a better idea (since even with 473 I probably have around a 99% chance to hit). On the flipside, I spent 3 hours in there and used a lot more than 100 abilities so I should have caught that 1% chance. I also doubt it was lack of attention either since misses are extremely obvious as a Dragoon and I was being more vigilant than usual on my rotation.

Has anyone else noticed this?