SE making NEW MMO

[Dubont]

Because XI was completely flawless right? Riiiiiight....

There was a whole month in 2007 when 2 handed weapon STR formula was messed up, THF could SA from the front, and BRD Zurka was as fast as flee. And dont even get me started on how often PLD was changed.

Gil buying, botting - THATS OK IF YOU GET DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!!(-_-)

Duplicating Salvage and getting nothing or one thing - BAN HAMMER
Duplicating Salvage and getting 3 full sets of gear - Slap on the hand (0 consistancy on punishments)

Duplicating Sandworm drops and selling for gil - Ban Hammer?

Swearing in Shout or say (more than once), getting caught with Windower (more than once) MPK By Accident or on purpose (more than once) - BAN/BAN/BAN

RMT out of control for years.

RNG nerf, NIN shadow nerf, NIN sub dual wield nerf, PC's being kicked from a party when entering a MH, and Haste Nerf. Thats just a small list of things I can think of. I'm not trying to be a douchebag, but I think these all qualify as the mistakes made by SE they were talking about.

nerfs are not mistakes. I actually agreed with most of their nerfs but was disappointed by the haste cap....though it did allow me to use gear in different slots other than having haste in almost all of them. As far as punishment goes, yes, they messed up horribly. I was banned for making a WW2 joke...not jailed or anything. I log in the next day "This account has been banned blah blah blah LM-17"

[Scherwiz]

nerfs are not mistakes. I actually agreed with most of their nerfs but was disappointed by the haste cap....though it did allow me to use gear in different slots other than having haste in almost all of them. As far as punishment goes, yes, they messed up horribly. I was banned for making a WW2 joke...not jailed or anything. I log in the next day "This account has been banned blah blah blah LM-17"

I did not mind the nerfs at all, but it did take them years to fix the jobs/stats/etc.

[Duelle]

There was a whole month in 2007 when 2 handed weapon STR formula was messed up, THF could SA from the front, and BRD Zurka was as fast as flee. And dont even get me started on how often PLD was changed.

The 2-handed thing was deliberate. They had to buff it due to people seeing 2-handers as a complete joke (which they were before the patch).

Gil buying, botting - THATS OK IF YOU GET DON'T GET CAUGHT!!!!

Economies built on rarity and timesinks encourage that kind of thing. Don't act so surprised.

RMT out of control for years.

The game for years was designed around the type of thing that make RMT thrive. Again, don't act so surprised.

RNG nerf, NIN shadow nerf, NIN sub dual wield nerf, PC's being kicked from a party when entering a MH, and Haste Nerf. Thats just a small list of things I can think of. I'm not trying to be a douchebag, but I think these all qualify as the mistakes made by SE they were talking about.

I would have quoted Utsusemi's implementation as a colossal mistake. We're talking about an ability that literally screwed up party and encounter mechanics for years to come. The bigger mistake was not outright changing/removing the ability, which any other developer team would have done.

RNG nerf was intentional to get people to play something other than RNG. Sadly, it is also testament that SE at that time did not know how to balance classes, despite everyone chanting the mantra of "FFXI class balance is supreme!".

[Elexia]

Because XI was completely flawless right? Riiiiiight....

XI = Funded most of their projects.
XI = continues to make them more money a month than most of their latest projects did in a few months time.
XI = consistent playerbase even with lower numbers

So...I highly doubt XI was a mistake. Everything you list are player induced. Programming mishaps happen, but a lot of those problems are community issues. Just because an exploit is there doesn't mean you HAVE to abuse it...report it and move on. When people finally reported the Panty sell price exploit it got fixed and people who abused it got banned.

[Scherwiz]

XI = Funded most of their projects.
XI = continues to make them more money a month than most of their latest projects did in a few months time.
XI = consistent playerbase even with lower numbers

So...I highly doubt XI was a mistake. Everything you list are player induced. Programming mishaps happen, but a lot of those problems are community issues. Just because an exploit is there doesn't mean you HAVE to abuse it...report it and move on. When people finally reported the Panty sell price exploit it got fixed and people who abused it got banned.

I never once said XI was a mistake, I played the game for 6 years solidly Thank you very much...

Did you play XI in JP beta? I did not, i do not know what it was like, but I do know PS2 NA release saved the game.

[Scherwiz]

The 2-handed thing was deliberate. They had to buff it due to people seeing 2-handers as a complete joke (which they were before the patch).

No no, it was higher than it is now, they patched it down after the month but not back to what it was thank god.

[Elexia]

I never once said XI was a mistake, I played the game for 6 years solidly Thank you very much...

Did you play XI in JP beta? I did not, i do not know what it was like, but I do know PS2 NA release saved the game.

I played the JP beta. NA release didn't save the game as it wasn't suffering or anything and FFXI originally wasn't even going to be released to the west but there was demand for a localization of it and it came packaged with an expansion pack, which technically, is what "saved the game", not so much the NA release because FFXI was the most easily accessible and played MMO in Japan at the time. PS2 NA release was a year 1/2 or two after the PC release and FFXI was nearing 700k players in 2004/2005 so it wasn't actually losing players at all.

[Joeking]

I don't know why every thread somehow ends up being about XI.. take it here to the XI Forums.

Top thread there when I went to get the link was "I hate you Square Enix", lol.

[Bled]

nerfs are not mistakes. I actually agreed with most of their nerfs but was disappointed by the haste cap....though it did allow me to use gear in different slots other than having haste in almost all of them. As far as punishment goes, yes, they messed up horribly. I was banned for making a WW2 joke...not jailed or anything. I log in the next day "This account has been banned blah blah blah LM-17"

Good old LM-17, I spent a day leveling in a group moved some AH items around and logged off. I logged back on the next day and there was the LM-17. I still to this day have no clue why i was banned under LM-17 the only piss poor response i got was there was suspicious activity on this account blah blah blah. I contacted SE the next day and talked to customer support and they stated that since bans were automated outside of what their screen said they couldn't offer me any clairvoyance on the ban... i was so pissed, i was a customer for going on 5 years and bam banned with no real explanation.

But sry for going off topic whenever i see LM-17 mentioned it makes me sad lol.

[Scherwiz]

I played the JP beta. NA release didn't save the game as it wasn't suffering or anything and FFXI originally wasn't even going to be released to the west but there was demand for a localization of it and it came packaged with an expansion pack, which technically, is what "saved the game", not so much the NA release because FFXI was the most easily accessible and played MMO in Japan at the time. PS2 NA release was a year 1/2 or two after the PC release and FFXI was nearing 700k players in 2004/2005 so it wasn't actually losing players at all.

PC in Japan yes, PC in NA it was only October 2003-March 2004 till PS2 NA, And thousands of Socom players bought Final Fantasy XI NA PS2 bundle for the Harddrive without ever playing XI - FACT.


But im not trying to argue or debate with you Elexia, everything you say is absolutely true... if you read my original post that I said about XI, I was only pointing out mistakes made IN XI, I love XI. Let me say this again, >>>>I LOVE FINAL FANTASY 11 and I am proud to say I was a member of the original Valefor server community for almost 6 years<<<< But bashing XIV every 2 seconds isnt going to fix the game any faster we are only 8 months in and June fast approaches (well maybe not fast enough.)