FATEs reduce people's IQ levels

[Maku]

FATEs BLM or cross class Flash on ANY class and BAM full rewards.
Curing does get you full rewards on some boss fights if there is actually a lot of it to be doing and you are the only one healing. The issue is that 10 DPS can get full DPS on the mob because they are not affecting each other but healers all healing the same person will not get full effect thanks to the others healing. Being the only healer gives you a better chance to get full rewards. It is a flawed system where too many healers actually hurt each other but damage is unaffected by anything.

[Lunavi]

Do you expect them to sacrifice their XP, not their MP but XP!!! To keep you alive? This is the reason I do not do Fates anymore, because they are this flawed, but I do not blame those who do not sacrifice their own gain for random pally #485. It is king to be DPS in fatezergs though. Especially BLM. Spam Blizzard 2. Get gold every time.

[Oxide_Vanwen]

It is king to be DPS in fatezergs though. Especially BLM. Spam Blizzard 2. Get gold every time.

This is why I liked an idea posted on another thread. Place level 55-70 passive mobs in the same area as the spawning FATE mobs. If you're not smashing your face against your keyboard to hit your AoE Button you'll still succeed. However if you are...well then I guess you get to run all the way back from wherever your Home Point is. This way everyone wins - FATEs don't take an XP Nerf, and people learn how not to be completely retarded when you deal with "MOST" DPS in Dungeons later on.

[StarMarmot]

Personal rant but, would healers at least remember to heal in FATEs? I just tanked the named fate Go, Go, Gorgimera and got hit by one of his attacks half my health gone. I was on this half health for a good long period of the fight and not a single heal was thrown my way. Sure enough due to latency I got hit by another of his attacks and down I go, the train proceeds to finish the boss off and leave all the dead people behind. Oh and I got a silver, was there from the start and tanked him the whole time.

TLDR: Heal your tanks please? Not all of us are terrible like the ones you find in duty finder.

Healing makes sense yeah, but on ressing I never understood why there's always 20 people lying around dead asking for resses once the FATE is done, get it, and then proceed to mount up and run back to base with a weakness debuff to boot. Why not just click the respawn button and get back instantly? Or is it that they don't bind, then forget to bind the next time they do Go Go or similar FATEs, and also the next time and the one after that?

[PapesseLudovique]

Do you expect them to sacrifice their XP, not their MP but XP!!! To keep you alive? This is the reason I do not do Fates anymore, because they are this flawed, but I do not blame those who do not sacrifice their own gain for random pally #485.

I've been leveling my THM, and I have cure as a cross class spell. I was grinding fates, and healing the other party members. On a THM. Guess what? Gold every time. Fates are about group dynamics.

The system isn't flawed, your attitude/logic is.

That random pally #485, is another human being. Lets hope Pally #485 doesn't slack off on tanking for Black Mage #435476754, and you end up dead. After all why bother tanking for someone not in your party? If you're going to benefit from Pally #485, try to show some god damn consideration.

But hey man, if they die, then you take a dirt nap, its probably someone else's fault. It usually is, right?

[GeilLega]

You can rage against the nature of humanity, but when you have a system like FATEs that reward you for the most selfish actions possible and in a way that is not related to doing your actual job's duties, this is what you get. The expectation that someone who is not partied with you will heal you is called "Rewarding A while expecting B." And while it may be possible to sometimes get gold while healing, it sometimes is not, due to the number of healers present (as someone above pointed out). DPSing ALWAYS makes gold possible. Healing only sometimes does. Guess what people will do if the folks they are partied with don't need healing?

[PapesseLudovique]

You can rage against the nature of humanit... DPSing ALWAYS makes gold possible. Healing only sometimes does. Guess what people will do if the folks they are partied with don't need healing?

You'll have to forgive me if I don't put a lot of stock into such a glib "anthropology lesson".
And no it doesn't. DPS in no way guarantees a gold. Try fighting Odin. You know, one of the only FATES in the entire game, whose end ranking is truly a big deal. As if the occasional silver out of a gazillion regular fates is even remotely noticeable. I just did Odin yesterday, and people who healed the whole time got gold. I DPsed my ass off and got Bronze.
Getting gold in regular FATES is so easy you can do it on accident.

Yes, you may not always get a gold, but most of the time, you will. If tossing an occasional heal at someone effecting your rating, you weren't getting gold anyway, and the next twenty golds you get will make up for it, besides.

[Aura_Shurifon]

Fate ranking feels too much random to me...

Once, I've tank, healed and DPS a NM for the entire fight as a WHM (I claimed the NM myself first !) I even raise a bard who manage to take enmity from me and all i got was a silver medal when all other DPS/Tank earn gold.

Another time, on "It's not Lupus" Fate, I healed the Tank, took enemity of most trash mob around and die while every one were DPS the sh*t out of the NM... Nobody cared to help me nor raise me at the end, even when /tell other WHM in sight...

So, no... As a solo healer, you loose when you heal people in FATE, it's f*cked up, but this true :/

I still try to heal people, I have yet to get Gold on most big NM (those who drop minions) because I still try to help others and it ends bad most of the time....

PS: I never grind for Fate, so i'm never in a FATE group, I just do them when i see one poping next too me (it's far more interesting to farm dungeon, even if it takes 4 to 6x the time to level up).
PS2 : sorry for my poor english...

[Kaethra]

Another time, on "It's not Lupus" Fate, I healed the Tank, took enemity of most trash mob around and die while every one were DPS the sh*t out of the NM... Nobody cared to help me nor raise me at the end, even when /tell other WHM in sight...

This is why healers won't heal outside their groups. If you're low on health, not in my group. How do I know healing you won't get all those adds that come with Gorgimera on me? That means I'm going to either die, or have to run. Which means my group doesn't get heals. See I can yell at my group to pick up adds. Random people.. they are going to go 'lol sorry'. It has nothing to do with laziness and all to do with self preservation. And of course healing doesn't 100% mean you're going to get a gold.

By the way, EVERYONE can cast Cure or Physick. You don't have to level as a BRD, you can go Archer for example

[Lithera]

So today and yesterday I was in northern thanalan fate grinding my pld. Most of the time I wasn't in a party and didn't get healed in boss fates. So yes I tended to die but so did almost every other tank many which were part of a party. It disgusted me to the point yesterday I just said F this n stopped doing fates for the day. You know it's bad when most of the bodies are tanks and the boss is being kited by a dps or healer very close to the edge of the fate area in which a slip up could result in a reset.