Stop Buying Titan Kills

[AlternativeOne]

Well after near 200 attempts at killing hard mode titan as a DL bard with garuda spine. Being the last man standing 90% of the time. Going through the first 4 phases with 95-100% dodge rate when the group actually gets that far. Im convinced that Im not the problem. Sure I screw up too, but damn. It's ridiculous how many people repeat the same mistakes over and over. In DF you always have that ass with level 45 AF and a GC or DL IL55 weapon. In shout groups you always have the expert who dies to landslide in the first phase. Most have a relic on another job too wtf did they all buy runs or get carried by friends I dont know but they suck at the fight. Then you have the "omg its laggy" or "Im on a ps3 guys". I lag and play on ps3 also quit lying and admit you screwed up, or dont know what the hell your doing.
I dont know what to do anymore. I geared myself fully before my first attempt. Studied the youtube video's Practiced my ass off. Had to kill ifrit 34 times to get a weapon to fight garuda. Wasnt going to waste anyone's time trying to Get carried. Met a ton of great people in these groups but I still dont have a damn relic. Only options left to me is buy a run or quit this game. I decided im going to keep trying till this months up since my subs already been deducted from my account.
Been offered help by some cool people but its just a waiting game and being online at the same time with the appropriate amount time. Runs sell for about 400k last time I asked. Im only 50k away from that.
Funny thing is during one of my many attempts my group lost a healer so the leader of the group that advertise selling whole relic quest not just titan but every fight. Offered his or her help for free coached the group, discussed strategies, literally told some people step by step what to do and when. What do you know. All of them still dying in the heart phase. Im thinking to myself WHAT THE F***CK. WHy is my luck so bad. I have a free company dont know if they won last nite cause I had to leave for work but it didnt look promising when I left.
Buy sell or what ever as long as your not RMT for these services then it cool as far as im concerned. DOnt want to buy a run but Im getting desperate. Thinking about doing this for my whm and blm makes me depressed probably wont even try and will do all end game as a brd as far that'll take me.

[Velthice]

As is marginalizing an entire portion of the playerbase because they don't have the advantages you do.

Look you're well within your rights to kick people who have network issues. Just don't kid yourself that they are the selfish ones for wanting to play the game.

Selfish for playing the game? Certainly not. Selfish for knowingly handicapping 7 other players? Hmm... Let me think real hard about this...

[RedAntares]

If you do Titan once for a relic, then you technically never have to do it again.

People who buy runs aren't affecting your gameplay directly, at all, in any way, shape, or form; please stop making threads to complain about things that don't matter.

True that but I've been hearing rumors of big FC making DF groups fail on purpose on Titan, so people get frustrated and decide to buy the win, that affects my gameplay in a way, shape and form. Even so, I still don't get why people would want to buy a Titan win, is not that hard once you learn the pattern of the fight.

People seem really lazy these days, I've seen FC selling Ifrit and Garuda wins too... you have to be really lame if you can't win at Ifrit and have to resort to buying the fight. -_-

[Aramyth]

DOnt want to buy a run but Im getting desperate.

I see you're on my server. Hook me up with a tell and I'll fit you in the next time I run a titan, should be Wednesday - Friday at the latest.

Don't buy you're run, we'll get you.

[Noni]

people buying titan runs need to get the gil from somewhere, thats after they have used an amount on pre-relic weapons and materia, so no, the main quest doesnt count into this calculation. The gil would have to come from crafting, gathering, or grinding tomes. But if you do these tedious tasks, then im pretty sure youre not gonna use your well-earned gil on one measly titan run.

Why do we have rmt in this game?
Because people need gil to buy titan runs.

Why do people sell titan runs?
Because people buy them.


Now do you see the problem? Its not the titan run itself, its the people that buys them.

way more people are using the gil sellers for high level crafted gear...ie: Vanya then they ever have off of titan, the cost for titan runs is a joke compared to what crafters charge.

[Argent_Wings]

42 pages of mostly people trying to justify buying their way through content. I don't understand it.

The problem, as I see it, isn't the act of buying/selling at all(though I think it's exploitative and don't like it, but whatever). It's the idea that everyone is entitled to every milestone in the game no matter what they have to do to get there. That very attitude is what has fed RMT and all other forms of cheating in gaming for decades. Not only that, but it snowballs when you have a community that takes players at face value(i.e judging entirely on gear/class)suddenly picking up handfuls of inexperienced players with poor connections that should not have been able to get beyond Titan but had the money to make it happen.

How people make their money is one thing, but to say these things "don't affect" the game play of others is shortsighted and only applies to the xenophobes who don't party/raid outside their FC comfort zones and for exactly this reason.

At the end of the day, if I have to end up with these people, I'm going to know why and who is all at fault.

[Aegis]

Selfish for playing the game? Certainly not. Selfish for knowingly handicapping 7 other players? Hmm... Let me think real hard about this...

So if you are in the EU or elsewhere with a bad connection to SE's servers (even though your connection is fine to any other game), you should what? Stop playing endgame? Is that your solution? Either they should play endgame and may be handicapping 7 other people or they shouldn't and must be excluded from the game. You have a third way or is sarcasm your best answer?

So what's your solution then?

We tried for an hour with one particular player who constantly died in the same spot.
He was a healer.
We talked him through it, we tried to help our best.

If it was lag and not being a bad player, then tell him to move earlier from that spot, before the animation appears if needs be. That will solve it. That might take 2-3 runs to sink in. If you advised that and he wasn't doing it, then you shouldn't have waited so long to kick him. If you didn't advise that, well, your best help wasn't that good. Even a sound effect macro played 1 second before that one move that kept killing him was used would have been enough.

Bad connections can be compensated for given enough time and practice. Something you aren't prepared to grant.

[Seig345]

I'd blame the people who sign up for DF pugs and treat them like a slot machine and if the group wipes 2-3 times they just ragequit and pull the DF lever again, instead of sticking through with the timer (they give us well over an hour for a fight that takes maybe 10-15 minutes if done successfully) and giving people a chance to improve.


I had gotten to the point where I would almost always survive until the failed end of the heart phase where I'd get taken out with anyone else still alive 'cause we didn't destroy the heart time. (I'm a healer, but yes I would desparately try to throw Aero/Stone in when I could while keeping people alive) But every DF pug resulted in failure because someone would rage quit way before we were even getting close to running out of time, and when one person goes, whether it's someone gracefully bowing out or not, the whole group ALWAYS fell apart after that and everyone left.

If selling Titan runs was really the cause of gil selling, they wouldn't have been advertising back before anyone had even gotten that far. using that logic suggests that ANYTHING that costs gil, whether it's the game charging gil, or players charging gil for ANYTHING in the game, is the cause for gil selling. Gil buyers and sellers are the cause of gil selling, no one else. I saved up the gil I used to pay an fc for one Titan run by farming materials from Botany.

I wound up broke, and I'm never going to do it again, but I can tell you right now that it hasn't damaged my ability to play the game. Yell at the ragequitters using the DF who aren't allowing everyone to try and learn the fight with the time given. I wasn't one of the slow ones, but everyone doesn't learn at the same pace. In the end, as someone on the front page already stated, there is literally no difference between buying a Titan run, and someone's FC carrying them through the fight for free, except for the exchange of gil.

[Seidaku]

I really don't see a problem. If they are using in game currency to purchase a bodyguard/taxi/manager or any other type of service provider then where is the issue?

The Free Companies that are profiting by this are nothing more than a Service Provider so they get to make money by offering this service.

How many here went and designed, built, obtained permits all on their own while building their house? Not everyone is good at everything so you pay someone to handle all that for you. Same deal here. They want to pay someone do do something for them then I think this is better than obtaining it for free since they are at least putting forth some kind of contribution.

[Argent_Wings]

All of this suggests that future content won't be anymore difficult than launch day content and so people who couldn't do HM primals due to any number of factors, will somehow be able to do more challenging battles with none of the same issues all because of a single great item they possess.

If you aren't new to MMOs, you know that is not and never will be, the case.