Stop Buying Titan Kills

[Aegis]

Wait...

I've not said getting carried is bad. Pay for one if you need to. There is nothing wrong with it if you really cannot engage with the content due to technical issues.

Just please don't join public groups expecting other people struggling to beat Titan to carry you. Users who don't have the problems shouldn't have to struggle trying to carry you, maybe to the point they give up and pay for a carry themselves.

I meant wait till you find willing players to carry you, btw.

Well, it is possible to beat Titan even with that lag. When I got my last relic, I died only once, to a plume at approx 5% hp just as DRG LB'd to kill Titan. I did it by knowing the fight so well that I was dodging plumes before they appeared (to me anyway). The only way to get that level of knowledge is through fighting Titan.

I will continue to join shout groups and encourage others to do the same even if they are having lag problems. It's the only way to learn the fight. A DPS in DF will get one group every 30 mins or so of waiting. A group that is far more likely to split up after a couple of wipes.

The attitute of kicking people that know the fight and are trying their best to complete it honestly but were careless enough to have the misfortune of not being born on the same continent as an SE datacentre just seems so heartless. "Sorry you're having problems getting this done. But don't make them my problems, my connection is just fine. Just go buy a run, k?"

But it's this level of community spirit that came with 2.0 I guess.

Users who don't have the problems shouldn't have to struggle trying to carry you, maybe to the point they give up and pay for a carry themselves.

Perhaps they should. SE sure aren't listening to EU players. Apparently we aren't zooming the camera out far enough. Perhaps only when it impacts a large enough portion of the playerbase they will...



btw* this isn't a dig at you, yourself. You seem reasonable. Just the 'I got mine' spirit that infests the game. Don't have the gear for a speed run? Get told to kill yourself in DF. Don't skip CSs? Tank drops in CM. Don't have great connection? Get kicked from Titan.

[Doki]

As the price of tome items like potash and coke continues to drop, you'll see less and less shouts for Titan mercs, since people will not have an easymode way to generate the gil for 2nd+ relics. Most groups on Excalibur are still getting 350k for merc runs, but there have been a few 150k mercs lately, or so I hear.

Honestly it will go away on it's own after 2.1 since there will be Crystal Tower drops to boost people's stats, plus the echo buff will be added to the fight eventually, if not when 2.1 drops.

[zakalw3]

Sorry Aegis, but if a player is consistently causing the group to fail they should bow out themselves. If they don't, kicking for the good of the group is perfectly reasonable.

You have free companies you can join and ask help from, you can utilise online forums and communities to ask for help, or you can pay for a carry. Jumping in to a public group and passing your frustrations on to 7 other struggling players is not cool.

This has nothing to do with community spirit, most people find Titan hard anyway without being one man down. You're the one being selfish if you expect these people to struggle and potentially give up because of it.

[Notredamefan23]

wtf is a merc?

[KraggyKor]

wtf is a merc?

merc = mercenary, those who sell 'wins'.

All MMOs have them, willing to carry someone through content they're incapable of doing, for cash; of course, those buying these services always say it's because the groups they've tried it with suck, they never admit they're the ones who suck most.

[Aegis]

This has nothing to do with community spirit

It does. You just don't see it.

It's a sad time to play MMOs.

[zakalw3]

It does. You just don't see it.

It's a sad time to play MMOs.

The fight is difficult enough for your average player with a decent connection, expecting these players to struggle for hours attempting to carry a player who constantly dies (for whatever reason) is extremely selfish.

[Dire]

You want people to stop buying Titan kills?This is how it's done.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...an-for-free%21

During the last few weeks I have noticed that just about any time there's a string of "Selling Titan" shouts they are within minutes followed by a (very polite and informative) shout from a member of Historia, never arguing but simply offering what they have to offer.

I am not a member of Historia or affiliated with them in any way, just to be clear. But as someone who finds selling progression to frustrated people objectionable I think it's a very cool thing Historia are doing.

My point is, if you really want to combat the mercing then do something productive about it. Starting an argument on the forums is hardly that.

[Aegis]

The fight is difficult enough for your average player with a decent connection, expecting these players to struggle for hours attempting to carry a player who constantly dies (for whatever reason) is extremely selfish.

As is marginalizing an entire portion of the playerbase because they don't have the advantages you do.

Look you're well within your rights to kick people who have network issues. Just don't kid yourself that they are the selfish ones for wanting to play the game.

[zakalw3]

As is marginalizing an entire portion of the playerbase because they don't have the advantages you do.

Look you're well within your rights to kick people who have network issues. Just don't kid yourself that they are the selfish ones for wanting to play the game.

So what's your solution then?

We tried for an hour with one particular player who constantly died in the same spot.
He was a healer.
We talked him through it, we tried to help our best.
Eventually, a couple of strong players left.
Eventually the group fell apart and three hours of trying was wasted.

Trying to beat Titan for a week, this experience was repeated almost every single time I built a group.

The one time I managed to beat him, I decided to kick any player who couldn't keep up... And we won.

Should I have kept trying to carry these players?
How long would have been reasonable in your view?