AURUM HELL

[Valcro]

I don't think this is a swell dungeon for the DF system. It's very unforgiving to new folk, and the allotted time limit just isn't enough. Even with a fair trip around with learning the encounters, the allotted time limit is pushing it.

I have no doubt with all four members who know what's going on, they could wipe the floor with the place. But that's just a fact of gaining experience and learning. Having gone through that I have the firm belief that this dungeon is just too unforgiving with it's time limit for people who have a different group on every run they attempt through DF.

[Sub-Xero]

I found AV to be properly impossible to complete as SMN. SMN just doesn't have the AoE/burst dps to kill the seedlings before they hatch. I would highly recommend bringing a black mage and bard for good AoE or make your white mage (you did bring a white mage instead of a scholar, right?) Cleric Stance+Holy the seedlings.

Which brings up another thing I've found about the game. There are a number of boss fights that feel downright impossible if your healer isn't doing dps as well. I had a ton of trouble with the final boss of Qarn, of AV, and the jelly boss in Wanderer's Palace until the healer (sometimes myself) decided to help dps through certain phases of adds.

You definitely do not need healer help in Qarn if your DPS are good or if your tank helps out like I do

[Allyrion]

u probably had people who didnt know about the mechanics. communicate and make sure every knows abt:

1. eating fruit
2. kill seedlings (vvvv low hp)
3. get the tank to pull him away from the seedling spawn point so he wont do bad breathe on everyone when the party os burning the seedlings.

to be absolutely honest i had some trouble at first but only because i was rubber banding as the healer.

I mean, this is really the best advice. It's still hard, but try to make sure your party is at least aware of all the mechanics.
Eat fruits at 3 stacks, so people don't need to run around looking for them.

I did this as a BLM my first time. It wasn't bad at all.

I've done it a few times, but I've always had a friend with me. You might consider pugging in Mor Dhona or where the dungeon is, just to get it done.
This dungeon just has a lot going on, and you might need like minded individuals who just want to get it done. Not duty finder pugs who leave after a wipe or two.
Hopefully one has good aoe.
As a SMN, you can use your LB to kill one set of seeds. Maybe two?

This was the only dungeons I think I saw the dungeon timer go under 20 mins left.
I think we finished with less than 10mins the first time I did it.
Second boss caused more wipes cause the tank and melee had to get accustomed to the abilities without a red circle.
Afterwards, I did it as a monk. It was much harder cause my aoe could hit maybe two seedlings at once (none if used on the boss, unlike my blm aoe).
We still got through, even with a bad tank.

[SaintAjora]

I found AV to be properly impossible to complete as SMN. SMN just doesn't have the AoE/burst dps to kill the seedlings before they hatch.

The very first time I've done AV was on SMN. I just used tri-disaster, which hit them with bind while I ran in and miasma2'd if I could and tri-disaster'd again if I had to. Very first run through. It went fine.

Well, apparently I can't post any more, so I'm editing.

Ah didn't realize Miasma II and Tridisaster were strong enough to kill them. This was also about two months ago when I was still leveling/learning SMN and assumed a 10 potency DoT was useless.

It might have just been that the bind was just enough to give us time to kill them before they hatched. It was a while ago for me too, so I really only remember that it worked and the other dps didn't have an aoe, so it was just me. XD

[axemtitanium]

Ah didn't realize Miasma II and Tridisaster were strong enough to kill them. This was also about two months ago when I was still leveling/learning SMN and assumed a 10 potency DoT was useless.

You definitely do not need healer help in Qarn if your DPS are good or if your tank helps out like I do

Tank help is equivalent to healer help I guess? Also, I was specifically talking about as a SMN dps in Qarn since I could not for the life of me kill the verges by myself in time (SMN needs about 2.5 GCDs to do good burst damage, which is longer than the cast time on the box verges' AoE). Or maybe I was just a bad back then. Can't really say for sure anymore. :P

[shikarin]

With tank and 2 dps all on morbol fruits you can kill enough such that only one or two seedling spawn, and that's enough.

If you have a blm or a good whm, it's really a very easy instance. Otherwise morbol fruits are somewhat of a challenge but still very doable.

[Eruantien]

I prefer to have my tank sit on Mistress where she stands while Sowing that way DPS can stay targeted on Mistress and AoE from there. If you do it the other way with your DPS targeting a single Fruit you can end up with two DPS targeting the same one and someone can end up missing a very crucial cast or chance to use a WS due to their target dying mid cast/WS thus allowing 1 or more of the seedlings to spawn. Targeting the Fruit can also cause an AoE not to reach all of them.

I agree with this, I like miser to stay right in the middle of the spawns so aoe can take em out, as blm you can take them out with 2 fire 2s.

I also say tank eat fruit at 3 stacks but the ranged dd's can usually take 4-5 before taking fruit.

[Linadae]

My little FC group has been doing AV for the first time and Coincounter was giving us fits. We ended up winning by just having the bard kite him around the room. That way when he stopped we knew he was about to do something mean and to get away. We're hoping to challenge the last boss next time we're all on.

[Seezur_Undies]

http://www.ign.com/wikis/final-fanta...A_Relic_Reborn

This link shows otherwise. You have to complete AV once to unlock the quest to gain access to Amdapor Keep.

Amdapor Keep - South Shroud (50)
Unlock Condition: Clear Story, then talk to Nedrick Ironheart in Vesper Bay OR Promotion Quest for GC rank 3
Taken from: http://www.bluegartr.com/faqs/ffxiv/...t-dungeon-here

[Ri_ri]

Main Class
ARCANIST

This is your problem. First time I went there, I went as SMN. The group was very and strong and helpful, but we wiped over and over at Miser's Mistress because I couldn't keep Garuda alive and I couldn't AoE at all. We tried using my level 1 Limit - worked two times, then at the last Sow we wiped because it didn't fill. Spreading debuffs wasn't enough, doing Ruin II on fruit per fruit wasn't enough, bringing Ifrit wasn't enough...

After that wipe fest, I felt so guilty that I leveled BLM to beat it. Still extremely hard.

I honestly wonder if it's even doable as SCH.