Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Vactus]

I'm not interested in tanking as good as a PLD because I happen to like my DPS in tank spec and out of tank spec. If that is altered, it defeats the purpose of playing a Warrior unless they can make Warriors have a DPS stance so we can melee DPS also.

There is math out there that shows PLD has better dps than a WAR. Even so, the dps difference isn't large. Not enough to be excited over anyways.

As for the rest, I had only read a translation and it might have been a rough trans.

[Crimess]

There is math out there that shows PLD has better dps than a WAR. Even so, the dps difference isn't large. Not enough to be excited over anyways.

As for the rest, I had only read a translation and it might have been a rough trans.

That math is useless. I use both classes and WAR does out DPS the PLD. For some reason I can clear AK faster with my WAR than with a PLD.

[PiedPiper]

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A) "I can pull threat off the pld as warrior" : Spoilers, so could another paladin. There have been a few threads that have mentioned this, and its something that's not getting a lot of attention, but hate generation is not linear.At least, not between two tanks using enmity moves against each other. At any point in a fight, a tank can engage and begin using their threat moves and catch up to an established tank. It doesn't matter if the MT or OT is war or pld, or both. A great place to see this is in turn 5. Let one tank pull Twin, the other get adds, the tank that was on adds, if they walk over and go all out on twin, you'll notice their hate continually builds and can catch up to / pass the main tank, who will have had a 1-3 minute lead. The math on this is bizarre and I have been unable to actually work out how/why it does this, but it is repeatable and pretty obvious it works this way. It has nothing or next to nothing to do with the damage/threat difference in the two players. I'm good, I'm really good, but I'm not "lol I can shit all over your two minute head start" good. And since my FC's OT has gone all the way through the first four turns with me, I doubt he's awful :P So yes, you can pull in turn 2 on ads, cus apparently, thats the way the game is set up. I can pretty easily pull back off our other tank during swaps, and he can pull back off me, so clearly we are playing at a similar level (since we are able to pull off each other, neither has an advantage).

Does warrior have a hate cap advantage over pld? Idk, my bff jill. It'll be really hard to test this because there is a built in bonus to the second place tank's hate of some sort. If you are so arrogant as to think that what you're seeing is purely down to your "awesomeness" and not some sort of concequence of how the game is scritped, then i just dunno what to telll you. You can even see this in BG's clear video, watch the off tank near the start and what few glimpses of hate bars you get and you'll see he catches up to the main tank (who has him massively out geared).

Also, even if warrior does have a hate lead, what use is it? PLD can hold off any dps without making them slow down, aoe or single target. Also , our aoe threat sustain is better and doesn't waste the resource we use for single target threat (tp). Simply put, I don't need any more threat.

B) "Its toally cool I have a massive str advantage over the pld, this comparrison matters cus... stuff" So, heres the deal. If you want to compare teh classes in terms of their potential, they need to be in equal gear. If you are main tanking on warrior, you're going to be wearing full vitality build (cus, Idk if you've heard, but death sentence hits like a truck as it builds up), so yes it does matter that you're wearing dps accessories and comparing to a pld in tanking acessories. Do it again with both of you stacked the same way (either both in str or both in vit) and at least roughly equal gear. You'll find, as has everyone else that has done these comparrions dilligently, the classes are very close. If both classes are in tanking stance, their numbers are pretty close, if both are in dps stance, their numbers are pretty close.

C) I Clear ak faster on war than pld: Lol, guess you aren't sac pulling. I clear faster on my pally than your war :> Also, how is wanderer's palace going for you?

[Taemek]

B) If you are main tanking on warrior, you're going to be wearing full vitality build

Stopped reading here because you are clearly unaware of what the Warrior was wearing when you typed this OR are not aware what is BiS for Warriors at the current time.

[PiedPiper]

Stopped reading here because you are clearly unaware of what the Warrior was wearing when you typed this OR are not aware what is BiS for Warriors at the current time.

It was shown in the thread that in that example the warrior had a major str advantage.

Best in slot for warrior, atm is comprised of AF2, allagan, and heros, every slot of fending. Or were you planning on clearing coils in full str accessories while being the main tank? Here, educate me. What is warrior best in slot atm for main tanking?

Also, if you stoped reading thre, that's AFTER I explained why the annecdote of warrior being able to pull off paladin was pretty null and void, and you didn't bother to argue against that--you know, the actual meat of the post and the information that matters.

[Taemek]

It was shown in the thread that in that example the warrior had a major str advantage.

Best in slot for warrior, atm is comprised of AF2, allagan, and heros, every slot of fending. Or were you planning on clearing coils in full str accessories while being the main tank? Here, educate me. What is warrior best in slot atm for main tanking?

Oh really?

I guess everyone in this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zation-for-WAR. is wrong then?

Please do edumucate me. No wait, don't just edumucate me, edumucate the entire Warrior community.

[PiedPiper]

Oh really?

I guess everyone in this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...zation-for-WAR. is wrong then?

Please do edumucate me. No wait, don't just edumucate me, edumucate the entire Warrior community.

In that build, the warrior has meleded to get full vitality on all accessory slots (so it has, actually, in point of fact, stacked vitality). Of course, a paladin could wear the exact same melds and get teh same benefit. So yes, I still maintain, that if you want to compare the classes, they should be in equal gear. If the warrior is using quin meld accessories to maintain vitality and get extra str/dex, you gotta give it to the pally.

Allllllso, that build has gone to such great lenghts, (and given up quite a lot of vitality, over 1k effective hp actually, compared to full i90 accessories) to cap out parry mitigation.. which... just isn't worth it. I parry at a 23% damage reduction in my current build, but block at 25 or 26 (I forget). This build only cliams a 2% increase to damage parried. Also, no matter how far a warrior pumps their parry rate, it'll never add up to as much chance to mitigate as paladin's net between parry and block (since ever attack is checked first for block, then checked again for parry on paladin, we get two checks vs jsut your parry check).

[CurlyBruce]

It was shown in the thread that in that example the warrior had a major str advantage.

Best in slot for warrior, atm is comprised of AF2, allagan, and heros, every slot of fending. Or were you planning on clearing coils in full str accessories while being the main tank? Here, educate me. What is warrior best in slot atm for main tanking?

I also don't think he realizes that anything a WAR can wear for BiS a PLD can also wear and survive better with in MT scenario. Any gear differences are negligible because PLD and WAR share the same gear, barring Myth armor but base stats are the same and WAR arguably has worse secondary stats on their Myth armor. Baseline HP for both jobs is only off by 85 in favor of WAR. Any sufficient amount of VIT for WAR is more than sufficient for PLD because of it's suite of superior cooldowns.

[Phreak]

Stopped reading here because you are clearly unaware of what the Warrior was wearing when you typed this OR are not aware what is BiS for Warriors at the current time.

WAR BiS = Overgeared Healer