Thread: Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

Originally Posted by Bfmusashi

in your example the Paladin requires a spell that hits for 800hp recovery. The Warrior needs a spell that would normally hit for about 833 (1.20*833=999.6). While your point stands your math did not.

That's not accurate. His math was right. The point was to highlight why -20% damage does not equal +20% healing and was assuming the heal would be coming from the same caster, healing for the same amount, not a different amount or different caster. He was pointing out a perceived flaw with the changes, not how the heals would have to be different using the changes.

Originally Posted by Bfmusashi

in your example the Paladin requires a spell that hits for 800hp recovery. The Warrior needs a spell that would normally hit for about 833 (1.20*833=999.6). While your point stands your math did not.

My math is perfectly fine, I was not including the warrior healing received bonus at all. I was showing that there was a 25% base healing tax that WARs have to make up to be on par with PLDs as far as healing efficiency goes. Showing that in order for the stances to be EQUAL, the point that was challenged in the original post I responded to, the bonus on defiance would have to be 25% NOT 20%.

In order for WAR to recover at the same cost as the PLD the bonus would need to be 25%, what is so hard for you people to understand about this? It was talked about months ago.

Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

@ Phreak

I honestly don't even know what the hell you're saying anymore. It doesn't take some long drawn out bullshit scenario to show that to equal a 20% damage reduction in terms of healing efficiency/healing required to recover, a bonus of 25% healing received is needed. I am not talking about eHP at all, nor did I ever mention it you seem to be mixing them all together for some reason.

Nice changes. Warrior will be even easier to play poorly than now (aside from the few that didn't get the memo and blow their Wrath stacks constantly right now), which'll make it feel even more rewarding to play well. A mediocre WAR will still be worse than a mediocre PLD. We'll have to see what changes, if any, come to PLD to judge how the classes will compare with good players.

Holmgang is an emergency button for things like being at half health or lower when mountain buster is about to go off. Hallowed Ground actually lightens the healing load and lets healers catch up, and is thus still a much stronger tanking cooldown. If you aren't getting heals than being at 1 HP at the end of Holmgang just means you died a couple seconds later. If you never hit 1 HP during Holmgang, it essentially did nothing but root you in place for the duration. Hallowed Ground always does 'something' as long as there is damage coming in (sans the couple of mechanics that hit through it).

PLD still has better cooldowns, the gap is just smaller now.

I agree with what I saw someone suggest for Mercy Stroke - it'd be better if it gave the heal if the mob dies within 2-5 seconds of using it. Trying to get a killing blow as a tank (especially with Defiance damage penalty) is a bit of a tall task. It does mean that currently I get to do a mental fistpump when I do get that killing blow though, haha.

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I don't have any issue with making it a little better, but a 2-5 second extension means pretty much 100% success and it shouldn't be 100%. Why not just give the WAR Lustrate for that matter.

Right because lustrate requires the SCH to kill a mob for successful use, something that's rarely present in most boss fights.

Originally Posted by TouchandFeel

I agree with this fully. It is just two small of a margin especially with the rest of your party attacking. This would also make it a much more useful and viable cross class skill.

Not to mention we can't see exact HP on enemies, it's just a coin toss every time.