Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[pandabearcat]

What he means is, basically what everyone is arguing is whether people will pick monk for coil, or whatever high end raiding.

He says, say you know you are the best monk ever, or whatever, or in the top percentile, you are a pug in his eyes, because he has to decide who to fill for that spot, and he doesn't know "you".

What he is saying is, as a raid leader, even if monks do parse at the top "on average", he has no way of verifying your personal skill, and as monks have themselves said, the variation in skill to dps ratio (aka the standard deviation that he is saying), is so high, he has a higher chance of finding you as a worse monk, than say, a bard who does on average less dps but has almost no variability because bards are pretty simple to play.

And I agree with that.

Because monks bring no utility that other classes don't, aside from mantra, and I don't know the value of mantra to the raid.

[NoctisUmbra]

What he means is, basically what everyone is arguing is whether people will pick monk for coil, or whatever high end raiding.

He says, say you know you are the best monk ever, or whatever, or in the top percentile, you are a pug in his eyes, because he has to decide who to fill for that spot, and he doesn't know "you".

What he is saying is, as a raid leader, even if monks do parse at the top "on average", he has no way of verifying your personal skill, and as monks have themselves said, the variation in skill to dps ratio (aka the standard deviation that he is saying), is so high, he has a higher chance of finding you as a worse monk, than say, a bard who does on average less dps but has almost no variability because bards are pretty simple to play.

And I agree with that.

Because monks bring no utility that other classes don't, aside from mantra, and I don't know the value of mantra to the raid.

Mantra is a drastic boost to raid healing. Also top DPS in itself is a unique utility.

Another utility is it is the only job with a silence skill on GCD instead of a long CD. Some groups prefer to use a MNK to solo silence ADS for example.

That all being said, I'm definitely not agreeing that picking a MNK you don't know is risky. That's what I've been suggesting all along.

However, this thread is about the job itself. The job is not weak, and thus requires no adjustments.

[Rochetm]

Because monks bring no utility that other classes don't, aside from mantra, and I don't know the value of mantra to the raid.

Mantra is a very good ability. It can be used as a tank cooldown or a raid cooldown. However with all the other stuff going on Monk really needs to be good to be able to use it at the right times. From my experience most monks never use it.