Monk- general discussion and feedback

[NoctisUmbra]

"You would have to be very mindful of what buffs you had when you applied your DoTs in order to deduce whether or not your overwrite attempt will be successful. That's one. Furthermore, you will have to make sure that the final tick of the DoT (which due to server time ticks and how that works will happen during the final 3 seconds of the DoT uptime) actually went off before overwriting it in order to not clip it and lower your Demolish damage, and in turn your DPS."
All true what you said, However you claimed before, as fact, that you could not overwrite dots, that the game will not let you. Those 2 things aren't the same thing. So like I said, either you misspoke about the game not letting you overwrite dots, or you were wrong when explaining to the person earlier. There is no in between on that. Explaining how the game does in fact work at a min-max level doesn't change that fact.
"Also, you cannot overwrite your DoT. Game will not let you unless you are more buffed than you were when you applied the previous." Is something you tried to pass off as a fact. It is incorrect. Do you agree that what you said is wrong? If not, why? Did you mean something else? Did you mean that in only the sense of a weaker buff getting overwritten? That's fine if you did however your statement is still factually incorrect and could cause issues to up and coming monks thinking they would always have to wait as that was how the game worked. And as someone who is trying to use my lack of coil as proof, that you said something that is just blatantly wrong is pretty nice to throw back in your face.

Yup. definitely fond of that. Yes. I misspoke there. Why? Because I never tested something so very specific as whether your DoT has to be stronger, or equal in strength, to overwrite. Normally I'd go and test it in such a scenario, but even now I'll take your word for it being true. Why? Because it is inconsequential. Doesn't matter. That information has not been of any use to me.

See, when you try to cling to that for like 3-4 posts in a thread and try to use it as ammunition to suggest I don't know how DoTs work or suggest it says a lot about my MNK then it's just funny/desperate.

The facts I do know, such as the server ticks, the potency comparisons between DoT skills and non-DoT skills, and the risks associated with overwriting compared to the rewards, then it never occurs to me to spend time testing such a specific scenario that is, again, inconsequential. That is what I was trying to demonstrate with my previous post. Yet you keep quoting me like a child that wants gratification for having caught something.


As for the rest of your last post, I don't see anything else I need to address.

"One of these things is not like the others."

Don't be a smartass. He asked for a parse. I didn't offer it as proof for my statements. If he feels that information is relevant to him, so be it. Perhaps he thinks it is impossible for MNK to top a parse in specific battles where the bar is set high.

[Allyrion]

The facts I do know, such as the server ticks, the potency comparisons between DoT skills and non-DoT skills, and the risks associated with overwriting compared to the rewards, then it never occurs to me to spend time testing such a specific scenario that is, again, inconsequential. That is what I was trying to demonstrate with my previous post. Yet you keep quoting me like a child that wants gratification for having caught something.

Admittedly, there might be no case where this is a dps increase for a monk (unlike, say, bard).

Assuming you pop IR right before demolish. The latest you can clip the dot while under the buff is around 12 seconds in. This means you are potentially clipping 2 ticks which would make your demolish a 160 potency attack as opposed to a 240 potency attack. I do not think the 30% crit on the next dot would make up for such a loss.

Blood for Blood lasts for 20 seconds so if you refresh Demolish every 3rd cycle like you should be doing anyway, then you would get another BfB Demolish.

Fracture can possibly be clipped during IR but this may mess up your timers for getting two BfB Demolishes and Fractures, if your cds lined up together.

A case to gain dps by clipping may arise, but the situation is so conditional you may never come across it. Alternatively, clipping may lead to a major dps loss in the vast majority of situations.

I haven't ever tested if there's a hierarchy of buffs, like maybe you can't overwrite a BfB buff with an IR buff or vice versa? Maybe once it's buffed at all, it's on the same level.

Also I can be a smartass all I want and point out hypocritcal things in your comments, like you have been doing to me anytime I mentioned DPS
Just like this!
"See, when you try to cling to that for like 3-4 posts in a thread and try to use it as ammunition to suggest I don't know how DoTs work or suggest it says a lot about my MNK then it's just funny/desperate."
"or when you chime in with support for suggested changes that will in fact upset the balance of DPS jobs by overpowering MNK."
Not asking for DPS changes, but you keep coming back to that in 3-4 posts. Says alot I think. I'm asking for a fun adjust, you keep bringing it around to DPS balance... granted anything that do will have to address that, but that can be done easy enough, alot of other games have, I don't see why XIV couldn't as well.

You guys are just petty together =D

[DerpyCubone]

You guys are just petty together =D

I meant that to be tongue in cheek, it didn't come off that way =( Sorry lol