bards fix "WALL OF TEXT"

[Sapphic]

You forget to take into account the BRDs utility in support. BRD is not a pure damage class like BLM, PUG, and DRG. Hence why they pull ahead in parsing.

So no, BRD shouldn't match pure damage classes in raw numbers.

I raid tier 2 in Rift also, maining as a pure Bard. So would like to see Bard pushed further towards support in FFXIV also.

銃術士はそれよりあとに実装予定で二丁拳銃の仕組みまでは考えてるとか
Musketeer is planned for after that and also thinking of duel gun

So Musketeer will probably be the ranged non magic pure damage class. Not BRD.

[Nooblet]

You forget to take into account the BRDs utility in support. BRD is not a pure damage class like BLM, PUG, and DRG. Hence why they pull ahead in parsing.

So no, BRD shouldn't match pure damage classes in raw numbers.

I raid tier 2 in Rift also, maining as a pure Bard. So would like to see Bard pushed further towards support in FFXIV also.

銃術士はそれよりあとに実装予定で二丁拳銃の仕組みまでは考えてるとか
Musketeer is planned for after that and also thinking of duel gun

So Musketeer will probably be the ranged non magic pure damage class. Not BRD.

When not using support abilities they certainly should... rift does not = ffxiv

There is no support in ffxiv. Repeat that to yourself . They cannot simply have a class be dps, say it's dps.. and have people spend all their tomes and time on that class and then say... well we change our mind, you're now support with crap damage.

The support abilities in bard do not come even remotely close to those in rift. And they lower damage when they are used. They are meant to be used as very temporary very minor buffs, that lower your damage when using them to balance it out.

[Sapphic]

When not using support abilities they certainly should... rift does not = ffxiv

There is no support in ffxiv. Repeat that to yourself . They cannot simply have a class be dps, say it's dps.. and have people spend all their tomes and time on that class and then say... well we change our mind, you're now support with crap damage.

The support abilities in bard do not come even remotely close to those in rift. And they lower damage when they are used. They are meant to be used as very temporary very minor buffs, that lower your damage when using them to balance it out.

I never said they were.

But, if they reduce effective DPS on BRD, I would like to see its utility boosted as well. A unique LB, not just cut and paste from the healer classes. As BRD, obviously, isn't a healer either.

If I wanted to be pure damage, i'd main a pure damage job. BRD could easily be pushed towards support by SE, and for all we know when level cap raises there utility may very well increase. Jobs will change over the lifetime of FFXIV theres always a constant cycle of nerfs and buffs and changes. Something you adapt to. Maybe the support abilities of BRD will become more utilised when 24 man raids start appearing.

But personally I'm going to wait and see what changes are made to BRD to jumping, to more than likely, the wrong conclusion based on one sentence. Which is all everyone is doing, jumping to a conclusion without any evidence of what exactly is going to change.

[fauxpas]

You forget to take into account the BRDs utility in support. BRD is not a pure damage class like BLM, PUG, and DRG. Hence why they pull ahead in parsing.

So no, BRD shouldn't match pure damage classes in raw numbers.

I raid tier 2 in Rift also, maining as a pure Bard. So would like to see Bard pushed further towards support in FFXIV also.

銃術士はそれよりあとに実装予定で二丁拳銃の仕組みまでは考えてるとか
Musketeer is planned for after that and also thinking of duel gun

So Musketeer will probably be the ranged non magic pure damage class. Not BRD.

again worst argument there is out there. explane to me where support is on the duty finder? please i have looked, am i just missing something....... bards are already getting a slight dps nerf. there needs to be a mechanic or potency addition if they are going to nerf the damage we do while moving. we already parse lower than all other dps

[Sapphic]

again worst argument there is out there. explane to me where support is on the duty finder? please i have looked, am i just missing something....... bards are already getting a slight dps nerf. there needs to be a mechanic or potency addition if they are going to nerf the damage we do while moving. we already parse lower than all other dps

Theres no support in DF, because theres no pure support class. If there was a pure support class you wouldnt use it in 4 or 8 peep anyways, as they would be a waste of a slot as to be useful as pure support in small party the support capabilities would need to ouweigh the benefits of just taking a DPS instead which would make them overpowered. Also pure support couldn't solo which would go against the design of FFXIV ARR.

If you said BRD needs stronger support utility to outweigh the nerfs (which we dont know what they will be yet) I'd fully agree. But calling BRD a pure DPS role is incorrect, hence the parsing disparity. Or if the removed the support capabilities and buffed to pure DPS, fair enough also.

Tp be honest. I think SE tried to make a useful but not mandatory support role with BRD but ended up making it underwhelming in both support and DPS. Which I think is something we can both agree upon.