bards fix "WALL OF TEXT"

[Sax]

I think the biggest mistake was calling them Bards in 14. To many narrow minded players that can't differentiate between ARR and other games. Sure they get 3 songs (which have very limited use) and they can DPS on the move, but they aren't top tier DPS and lack an offensive LB to compensate.

[AunaYuuki]

My team is at end game raid content (2 bards, Blm/smner, Mnk) we all have about equal gear our one bard has one more ilvl 90 piece over everyone else.We tested it in multiple instances such as Primals/CM/Prae/Coil and the monk just pulls out amazing overall top damage all the time (this is about 10-20 points).The black mage which isn't as geared mostly full DL and DL accessories will go about 5-10 damage points below our bard with 3-4 ilvl 90 pieces.These players have been playing MMOs a very long time, they all know their combos etc.Bards damage is not OP its good but OP? This perspective has mostly been changed since I have been in end game content and testing everyone's damage.I would be really upset if they nerf the bard to extinction, but I don't think they will.I think Yoshi will do a tiny nerf to shut up cry babies to be honest. I see the point they are not really "bards" but even in 1.0 they weren't.

[Furon]

The problem with current bard design is that its by far the easiest dps to play effectively, which is fine however alot of the fights at endgame are punishing to classes that require positioning, have limited range or cast time attacks, those classes will struggle to keep up with a bard that have 100% uptime.

However in coil the other dps can finally get close to 100% dps uptime, however bard's remain the safest dps choice for most guild progressing into endgame and alot of guilds run 2 or even 3 bards and this is where the second design problem lies, bards stack up extremely well, piety bards can keep tp or mana songs rolling endlessly (or close to) by chaining songs, this tactic trivialise alot of the endgame content (or at least severely lower the skillcap needed to beat the boss).

My suggestion would be to put a debuff on anyone that gets a bard song on them for 2 minutes, when you are debuffed you cannot benefit from any bard songs until the debuff is gone.

[Woodberry]

The problem with current bard design is that its by far the easiest dps to play effectively

Since you made the claim, why don't you share with us how bard is by far easier to play than lets say a BLM?

[Furon]

Since you made the claim, why don't you share with us how bard is by far easier to play than lets say a BLM?

Blm's lose a cast every time they have to move, lowering their dps exponentially tied to the amount they have to move, the longer the distance they have to sidestep the bigger the dps loss, add in that blm's have almost zero utility compared to bards 10% damage reduction on aoe, instant silence shot as well as song's while still having 100% uptime and it doesnt take rocket science to realise that there is a pretty big imbalance here.


If 1 dps class can dps 100% of the time and other dps classes can only dps 60-75% of the time, it stands to reason that the 100% uptime dps class should have the lowest dps to keep balance, if that 100% uptime class also have the best utility of all the dps they need to have even lower dps or you will only get 1 dps class worth playing.

[Woodberry]

Blm's lose a cast every time they have to move, lowering their dps exponentially tied to the amount they have to move, the longer the distance they have to sidestep the bigger the dps loss, add in that blm's have almost zero utility compared to bards 10% damage reduction on aoe, instant silence shot as well as song's while still having 100% uptime and it doesnt take rocket science to realise that there is a pretty big imbalance here.

So basically BRD is far easier to play because they can fire while moving? Wouldn't it technically be easier to just have to worry about pushing directional keys during ground aoe instead of having to push directional keys and attacks?

[gannz]

All the letter from the developer said was bards did too much damage without really being effected from the fight. This does not necessarily mean that there will be a damage nerf... You may get a cast time or 2 added in which to me would make more sense.

[Jim_Berry]

You forget to take into account the BRDs utility in support. BRD is not a pure damage class like BLM, PUG, and DRG. Hence why they pull ahead in parsing.

So no, BRD shouldn't match pure damage classes in raw numbers.

I raid tier 2 in Rift also, maining as a pure Bard. So would like to see Bard pushed further towards support in FFXIV also.

銃術士はそれよりあとに実装予定で二丁拳銃の仕組みまでは考えてるとか
Musketeer is planned for after that and also thinking of duel gun

So Musketeer will probably be the ranged non magic pure damage class. Not BRD.

Thank you for this. I am a Support BRD, but with the dps checkers, I am told my damage sucks even though I am asked to keep Ballad up.

[Darkricko]

Thank you for this. I am a Support BRD, but with the dps checkers, I am told my damage sucks even though I am asked to keep Ballad up.

lol Hmm I am guessing if the people you are running with are asking for ballads to be kept up before 5-7 mins into you shouldn't be running with them. Even with our 2 bard set up we can do turn 4 till the last minute with out needing a ballad and never EVER need a ballad on titan or any primal fights anymore. So yea if I were you Jim I would ditch that crew. Because bards are not supports.

[Sapphic]

lol Hmm I am guessing if the people you are running with are asking for ballads to be kept up before 5-7 mins into you shouldn't be running with them. Even with our 2 bard set up we can do turn 4 till the last minute with out needing a ballad and never EVER need a ballad on titan or any primal fights anymore. So yea if I were you Jim I would ditch that crew. Because bards are not supports.

Or theres no fights in game that really need the BRDs support abilities? That the support of a BRD makes or breaks the encounter?