Titan is too forgiving to be worth a relic

[Atamis]

I wouldn't say Titan is the problem, hes a fairly decent check. Ifrit is entirely too easy, garuda can be done in DF pugs after a few tries. Precursor weapons are stupid cheap now (Avr 5k on balmung). Chimeras mechanics can be avoided by simply tanking him on top of the hill and the kill 24 enemies is hardly worth being a step.

I'm glad they removed the RNG aspects (But they could bring back the exploding precurser with how cheap they are now) but i feel they should of replaced the spiritbond and hamlet sections with a really hard personal quest. The level 50 class quests are mostly open ended they could of added on another section for the relic.

[Raikki]

I am not saying it's hard. It's just messy. In my opinion. Maybe I just haven't figured out the best tactic for dealing with those components.

Just learn the pattern a little better and prepare for things rather than react to them and you'll be golden. Plumes coming? Make sure you'll have somewhere safe to run and that you're not boxing someone in. Bombs coming? Look to see which order they fall in. Everything is 10 times easier when you can prepare for it because you know the pattern.

[raelee]

For a lot of people Titan is still difficult. I mean even Garuda is hard for some people.

For some, not most, yes. But in 1.0 you couldn't run a pick-up group for Ifrit Extreme and get your relic. A ton of people were stuck on Ifrit extreme in 1.0. It actually took time to get your relic (not XI time, but more than few hours!). I mean hell, if your FC members are willing to help you, you could get more than one relic in one day (as is the case for one of my FC members). In 1.0, it took multiple days to get one.

I do miss those Ifrit runs, though.
They were pretty fun. I still have a screenshot of Raikki telling me I dodged e'rrything. <3

[Reslin]

I think there's a serious problem with how easy it is to finish a Titan kill with 3+ people dead after heart. Just being able to survive past heart and then promptly dying should not effectively count as a win for your relic. I don't think the challenge was supposed to be "find 5 people who can live and then watch them win for you." I don't mind helping people, at all, but I'm not a fan of people obtaining a relic by lying in the dirt for phase 5.

The 1.0 quest wasn't like this. You couldn't do your dungeon speedruns with 3 people dead for half the run. You had to beat Garuda with 0 deaths. You might limp to victory on Ifrit Extreme with 3 people dead at the very end but anyone who did it knows that the bigger obstacle was the final nail phase, which was much more difficult than Titan's Heart and was most certainly not 5mannable.

They are adding extreme modes. Considering titan drops Ilvl80 weapons I wonder what the extreme primals will drop?

[Kikosho]

I sort of agree that people shouldn't be carried through the last half of the fight. But on the flip side of that same coin, it is way too difficult to find a group worth of people who can get the job done.

And that's NOT a problem with players. It's a problem with the design of the fight. All he does is fire off one-shot kills over and over, and the slightest screw up or lag will leave someone dead. On top of that, both the heart phase and the tumults are a big gear check. Either all 8 members of your team are very well equipped, or it's not happening.

Finally is the class requirements. You need a paladin tanking and one of the healers to be a WHM. Taking a warrior in at all is gimping your team. Taking two SCH for healing is gimping your team, because their absorb buff doesn't stack. If you don't go in the fight with a Paladin and WHM, you are already putting your group into the ballpark of "this might not be possible".

No matter how I look at it, the Titan fight is a messy design and needs a big polishing pass from the developers.

There is a lot of wrong with what you mentioned. War tanks it completely fine. 2 SCHs healing is completely fine. The fight can be done with a mash of AF/GC/AK gear. Finding a good group of people to do it shouldn't be a con either considering the reward for the fight is essentially a relic weapon.

I honestly think though that SE purposely made attaining relics + DL gear quite easy to let players gear up decently fast and to lessen the staggering gap between Legacy and non-Legacy players.

[Xikaz]

The ground strip attack going off right before bombs and its smoke effect making it impossible to see when the bombs go off in p5 is messy.

The first bomb or set of bombs in phase 5 goes off right as Titan pounds the ground for landslide. I actually like bombs in phase 5 more because I know exactly when they're going to go off.

[Azurus]

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Lol i heal a warrior on this fight on the regular and it is no different than a paladin in my eyes. The warriors you bring must suck.

[SynMaris]

Lol i heal a warrior on this fight on the regular and it is no different than a paladin in my eyes. The warriors you bring must suck.

Ditto, my first Relic was obtained with our Main Tank as a WAR, its all the same.

[Sev75]

ARR was designed for the masses, people who generally find challenge or "work" in an MMO "outdated design" or "go back to FFXI" etc. They made this game extremely easy in order to make this game accessible and successful, this is why people will always chime in with "oh so you beat coil 5 yet?" like that .1% of content makes up the majority of this game.

They even held off on Crystal Tower to make sure it was easy enough to be .

actually you're wrong about the crystal tower. They didn't hold off on it just to make it easy for df it was originally going to be available for the df. The problem they did have and decided to change was this one part when the 24 man group splits in to 3 teams and each team had to activate something at the same exact time which is impossible to do when you factor in internet connections. No matter how many times yoshi and the dev team tried it they couldn't activate all 3 at the same time .So yeah all of you " made crystal tower easy for df" people are dead wrong and know no facts. Source was an interview i read don't remember the site

[Kikosho]

actually you're wrong about the crystal tower. They didn't hold off on it just to make it easy for df it was originally going to be available for the df. The problem they did have and decided to change was this one part when the 24 man group splits in to 3 teams and each team had to activate something at the same exact time which is impossible to do when you factor in internet connections. So yeah all of you " made crystal tower easy for df" people are dead wrong and know no facts. Source was an interview i read don't remember the site

Yoshi-P himself said in an interview that CT was overtuned for DF so they delayed it to retune it. Why do you think people keep citing this information?