Anyone Sad about the games Decline

[KiriA500]

This isn't true at all. They are nomadic because they are looking for something new and innovative in another game. So far, nothing at all has not brought the same magic if you will that WoW and those before it brought. Most any MMO endgame nowadays is either
1) Rep Grind
2) Token Grind
3) Dungeon Grind
4) Raids are nothing amazing(uninteresting mechanics or completely bugged...see Twintania)

Once they realize this is just another WoW clone, they migrate or wait for the next popular game hoping it will be something different.

Every game has been like this, AoC, Tera, Aion, Warhammer, Rift, and quite possibly FF14 considering any meaningful difficult content isn't coming until 2.2. CT is DF which will be a joke and be completed at a max of 2 hours, still leaving people with nothing to do.

Well, they could just make stuff have a drop rate of 0% as well as having long lock out times. Players like you need to understand that there is literally no way for Square-Enix, or any developer for that matter, to be able to provide content at the rate faster than you can burn through it. There'll always be some kind of limit put in place in order for you to be gated into getting the stuff (see Mythology tomes). It's super cool and all that you can breeze through this content so quickly, but you have nobody to blame but yourself when you've run out of things to do.

[rowdey1]

again i ask how long did it take to get to maxed level ... i myself played eq1 .. ive talked to people that played XI and they said it took quite awhile to get maxed level / relic and stuff .. purhaps im wrong on the XI part but if it took months to be raid ready

[Onolock]

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OMG stop already with its a WoW clone. FFXIV is a off shoot of its own game, FFXI, which predated WoW by 3 whole years. Not every game is a WoW clone, and WoW itself is a clone of all the games that came before it.

WoW did what every game failed to dothough, they innovated and changed and became something more and different. I don't know if you raided the bleeding edge progression in some of these games, but for example in Rift, they released raid fights entirely bugged and unkillable. This is piss poor testing and bad design. See Twintania in FFXIV, there are so many bugs in this fight it's not even funny right now(twisters, conflags, and adds in 2nd phase). If you want to compete with the market, you need to bring your A-game and have lots of content ready to forge yourself in the market, lest you end up like every other MMO which is nothing.

[rowdey1]

Yeah, but GW2 had another purpose than endgame. They introduced a dynamic world and a lot of exploration. There was no role (DPS, healer or tank) and its development is quite different from other MMOs in the market. That doesn't make it a fail, but a different approach to players. This game has its own purpose and they are introducing content as they launch the incoming patches. Guys, seriously, you need to THINK if this game is for you. Then decide if you continue playing it or not.

ya lol i remember that i love these games that are trying to get away from the holy trinity ( tank , healer , dps ) GW2 = oh u have aggro kite it ! ..now i have aggro kite it ! lol if its not broke dont fix it , nothing wrong with the holy trinity

[Codek]

This isn't true at all. They are nomadic because they are looking for something new and innovative in another game. So far, nothing at all has not brought the same magic if you will that WoW and those before it brought. Most any MMO endgame nowadays is either
1) Rep Grind
2) Token Grind
3) Dungeon Grind
4) Raids are nothing amazing(uninteresting mechanics or completely bugged...see Twintania)

Once they realize this is just another WoW clone, they migrate or wait for the next popular game hoping it will be something different.

Every game has been like this, AoC, Tera, Aion, Warhammer, Rift, and quite possibly FF14 considering any meaningful difficult content isn't coming until 2.2. CT is DF which will be a joke and be completed at a max of 2 hours, still leaving people with nothing to do.

Grats on describing the essentials to the MMO genre.

The exclusions are sandbox games which always yield a smaller player base do to the lack of "carat on a stick" syndrome.

I don't think you actually know what you are looking for in an MMO.

[Onolock]

Players like you need to understand that there is literally no way for Square-Enix, or any developer for that matter, to be able to provide content at the rate faster than you can burn through it. There'll always be some kind of limit put in place in order for you to be gated into getting the stuff (see Mythology tomes). It's super cool and all that you can breeze through this content so quickly, but you have nobody to blame but yourself when you've run out of things to do.

Easy, don't RERELEASE a game which has the groundwork and foundation laid and make wild claims about the game starting at 50 with only 1 dungeon worth doing and 1 raid that can be cleared in 40 minutes with the last boss being impossible to kill. Don't make excuses for SE, this is clearly on their shoulders for their failure. They could have easily pushed the release a few months more and released tons of content, but they didn't because they have shareholders.

[KiriA500]

Easy, don't RERELEASE a game which has the groundwork and foundation laid and make wild claims about the game starting at 50 with only 1 dungeon worth doing and 1 raid that can be cleared in 40 minutes with the last boss being impossible to kill. Don't make excuses for SE, this is clearly on their shoulders for their failure. They could have easily pushed the release a few months more and released tons of content, but they didn't because they have shareholders.

Fun fact: A Realm Reborn wasn't just made for you. New players are using the content you don't care to do. There is more than enough content for a new MMO release. WoW had 2 40-man raids at launch and look at how that game did.

[Hyrist]

again i ask how long did it take to get to maxed level ... i myself played eq1 .. ive talked to people that played XI and they said it took quite awhile to get maxed level / relic and stuff .. purhaps im wrong on the XI part but if it took months to be raid ready

Too long, according to the majority of the would-be players, not long enough according to your hardcore base. There were those knocking on the door to a non-existent endgame in the first month. And many, many more screaming at the crushing grind FFXI was. We've already doubled even the implied maximum subscription based FFXI did in its hayday. I would stop listing that game's grind as a virtue, if I were you.

[Onolock]

Grats on describing the essentials to the MMO genre.

The exclusions are sandbox games which always yield a smaller player base do to the lack of "carat on a stick" syndrome.

I don't think you actually know what you are looking for in an MMO.

I didn't say any of those things were necessarily bad, but they bring nothing new to the recipe in those areas. That's the problem though, essentials to the MMO genre; a game that will be successful long term will innovate and break away from this design. WoW at least brings innovations somewhat, but even WoW is still latched on to this design.

[Kallera]

Easy, don't RERELEASE a game which has the groundwork and foundation laid and make wild claims about the game starting at 50 with only 1 dungeon worth doing and 1 raid that can be cleared in 40 minutes with the last boss being impossible to kill. Don't make excuses for SE, this is clearly on their shoulders for their failure. They could have easily pushed the release a few months more and released tons of content, but they didn't because they have shareholders.

"one dungeon worth doing? one raid?"

I think that your problem right there. You intentionally limit the game for yourself so you can get to the end as fast as you can. I'll be dollars to donuts you didn't earn any of those achievements under your own power. You watched the videos, read the wiki articles, and spoiled your way to completion, and then you complain, at the very frontier, that its "impossible" and now you're bored.

You have only yourself to blame.