Nerf FATEs, but don't

[Kewhi]

Fates are in the game for several reason....VARIETY

If you dont like fates you have the choice not to partake in them.

That's not several reasons. That's one reason. And it's a particularly flawed reason given the fact that any "variety" that may be evident in these FATEs is moot when you have dozens of players steamrolling them down in a matter of minutes. Not to mention that the only real variety is in the skin of the mob that need to be killed in each FATE.

Anyways, I would say that FATE xp is fine as it is, but it would be nice to see other areas of the game brought in line with them so that there would no longer be just one far superior means to leveling.

That would be true variety.

[Nonlinear314]

Punishing players is stupid.

Make other forms of leveling more rewarding and competitive with the FATE grinds, e.g. make dungeons give more xp/hour and increase the XP given by leves.

[Naberrie]

My question is: How are FATEs generating a negative experience?

It can, actually. If you go into, say, Brayflox with a tank who leveled entirely thru FATEs and is only now tanking their first dungeon, it will negatively effect everyone else in the party.

There is one player on my server who is always in South Shroud doing FATEs. Always. They never leave. They don't even seem to care what their level is. They were doing the Robber Goblin FATE today as a level 20 ACN. That FATE is, I believe, level 28 or 29. They died twice at least that I saw. They can't even run FATEs properly, I've no faith they could run a dungeon.

[Sinth]

It can, actually. If you go into, say, Brayflox with a tank who leveled entirely thru FATEs and is only now tanking their first dungeon, it will negatively effect everyone else in the party.

There is one player on my server who is always in South Shroud doing FATEs. Always. They never leave. They don't even seem to care what their level is. They were doing the Robber Goblin FATE today as a level 20 ACN. That FATE is, I believe, level 28 or 29. They died twice at least that I saw. They can't even run FATEs properly, I've no faith they could run a dungeon.

So FATEs are providing a negative game experience because bad players are bad? Perfect logic.

By your logic, players who do nothing but leves to level would be the same. So, we should nerf leves? So we should also do away with open world mob farming. So we should restrict leveling to strictly dungeon instances?

[LovelessG]

So FATEs are providing a negative game experience because bad players are bad? Perfect logic.

By your logic, players who do nothing but leves to level would be the same. So, we should nerf leves? So we should also do away with open world mob farming. So we should restrict leveling to strictly dungeon instances?

Acutally by his logic he is totally correct. These players may not of been so bad and they ran some instaces, and learned the actual mechanics of their class. Instead of going into fates and spamming one or 2 buttons which happen usually to be mostly aoe type skills for most classes or just heals. The fact that MOST fates are a run in and spam as much dmg or heals as you can doesn't help a player learn the base mechanics of how to use their class. Also on the fact of leves. Leves are capped so you couldn't really level up soley on leves due to the fact that they are capped.

[neverendingxsin]

People worry way too much about what others do.

[Pangtao]

Fates are in the game for several reason....VARIETY

If you dont like fates you have the choice not to partake in them.

I know right? Like, do it or dont, why whine?

[Naberrie]

So FATEs are providing a negative game experience because bad players are bad? Perfect logic.

#1 No.

#2 FATEs do nothing to teach party dynamics so anyone who jumps from one to another is unprepared.

#3 It attracts and enables laziness.

How about this? As a test, shout on your server for a level 50 tank who leveled entirely thru FATES. Ask him to come tank HM Garuda for you. Let us all know how it turns out.

[Arcaloid]

Please stop asking to nerf FATE, just ask to buff dungeons.
Otherwise players and SE will only comment on the FATE nerf (and say NO), then ignore the dungeon exp buff, which is what ppl really want.

[Sinth]

#1 No.

#2 FATEs do nothing to teach party dynamics so anyone who jumps from one to another is unprepared.

#3 It attracts and enables laziness.

How about this? As a test, shout on your server for a level 50 tank who leveled entirely thru FATES. Ask him to come tank HM Garuda for you. Let us all know how it turns out.

No thanks, I have a FC. Perhaps the people complaining about unskilled players should join one. Also, every single way you can level in FFXIV excludes teaching party dynamics with the exception of Dungeon Instances. So again, where is the logic in "FATEs are bad mmkay?". You either do away with people leveling in every way designed except dungeon instances or you can just bite your pillow and cry.

This whole thread is assinine.