DL gear

[bonarota]

Yes that what I am wearing except for body cause looked like af body is better has better stats then the market board body have tuxo feet pants af body head hands lvl 55 weapon tuxo ring best best dex earring so not like I have complete crap gear

[Obsessive]

WP and AK doesn't need DL. I started farming AK and WP once I hit 50 with my FC who just hit 50 as well. You need to be decently geared with around level 45+ gear and know how to play your job.

Agreed! You do not need DL to run these instances. Gear obviously helps, but not being decked out in awesome gear won't hold you back from completing these instances.

[Freakiie]

I started gearing up recently and basically did it solely with the DF. Perhaps being a healer helps, but I never got any grief for being undergeared. Then again I didn't completely ignore my gear (First WP run I did was with non HQ prerelic, AF, HQ 49 jewelry/belt), stated it was my first time, nobody had any problems. In the 20-25 WP runs I did over the weekend I only failed one run and only once someone left the party, which was me when our DPS were just completely undergeared. One was an ARCANIST, nuff said and the other was your fresh "weeh 50, time for dungeons nao" kind. That's just not gonna work and I'm not gonna try and pull someone through who hasn't even gotten their job yet.

I don't know whether it's because I'm a healer (then again, weren't tank the elitist bastards that quit parties? :P) or Europeans simply don't mind as much, but I barely had any trouble with the DF. As for people looking for full DL/Relic parties etc, who cares. They spend lots of time getting that gear and it's their right to find others with the same gear to run a dungeon they already did way too often twice as fast as with a DF party. As for DF elitism, I haven't encountered it yet to be honest.

[Zakalwe]

I gave up trying to run CM for tokens. Out of 3 attempts, the tanks bailed at the start of 2 runs because he felt we were "undergearred" due to a lack of DL and/or relics.

That's nuts, and haven't seen it myself. Lots of DL tanks purposely run it in bare crafted lvl49 armour for spirit bonding, and it's no problem at all. And relic weapon for a tank? Sure, it's nice, but as a non-dps job it is not all that critical (and certainly not for CM, for goodness sake). GC tanking weapon or even less is fine. Heck, I tanked for a while with that white weapon drop from WP.

[Lstkaws]

That's nuts, and haven't seen it myself. Lots of DL tanks purposely run it in bare crafted lvl49 armour for spirit bonding, and it's no problem at all. And relic weapon for a tank? Sure, it's nice, but as a non-dps job it is not all that critical (and certainly not for CM, for goodness sake). GC tanking weapon or even less is fine. Heck, I tanked for a while with that white weapon drop from WP.

This, nothing is critical in CM. A bare minimum is fine. That instance is for spirit bonding at this point. I never wear my best gear in there, always three or four pieces being SB'd and a SB+ ring

[Zakalwe]

Aren't the more experienced people teach people how to do it or at least give pointers I know I am not perfect and I am a casual player been playing since beta took me some time to get to 50 cause But yes I do try to upgrade my gear but don't see the point sitting 3 hours to do one run on early runs and I think ak is really a early run cause I have done it it wasn't that hard just need pay attention

In CM, I'm pleased to run with a new tank. They don't presume to know everything and I like passing on the help I received from other tanks when I was new. One run the other tank said he was new to it, and as I was welcoming him two dpsers immediately dropped. Good riddance, and they were almost immediately replaced. It was one of the smoothest runs ever, only slowed slightly as I stopped a couple times to explain upcoming mechanics. But of course, that's CM, a pretty simple run.

[Amberion]

Yes that what I am wearing except for body cause looked like af body is better has better stats then the market board body have tuxo feet pants af body head hands lvl 55 weapon tuxo ring best best dex earring so not like I have complete crap gear

I also kept my AF body, changed it with the AK one.

[Gucci_Charms]

The Revenant's toll spam is hilarious for these requirements. Last night, saw a few spammers saying they will gear check everyone for CM runs. Literally said, "NO AF USERS PLEASE."

These requirements are getting pretty ridiculous. I feel bad for people just reaching end game or starting out now. I don't think many of these elitist players have realized that they too were once in generic AF gear at one point trying to grind these dungeons just to start getting DF or AF2 armor. So sad

[mythicrose]

Many FFXIV tanks are scaredy-cats and for whatever reason don't want to tank something challenging.

On the flip side of that coin, it's hilarious how many dps and even the occasional healer would bail on WP when I showed up on my warrior with AF gear and Garuda's Scream. The whole mindset of "must have Dark Light and Relic" to run CM, Prat, and WP is rediculous. While AK is doable, a few WP upgrades and/or Darklight upgrades makes the run smoother.

[Zfz]

In the JP forums there's a thread where the original poster asked, very seriously, why he was accused repeatedly in the same run in WP, of been undergeared and that WP needs DL+AF to do. They wiped at the second boss and the group broke up.

The OP was wearing the Militia set.

The whole reason people are preaching about DL for WP for "efficiency" sake and that it will take "very long without DL" is just so they can have the WP queue to themselves for fast matching and fast clears. They wish all the AF people run CM because WP is their new toy and they don't want to share. :3