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    Ademitha Fubuki
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    I have a question and I have been looking everywhere for any information, I use the T3-F3-F1(til F3 prox)-B3-T3(gear allows me)-F3 rotation and I know when I am casting I am spaming Fire 1 until I get a F3 proc. My question is do you cancel your cast even though you are about 1/2 maybe 3/4th way though the cast (depends on how far you are from the boss/mob) or do you allow it to cast and spam F3 for that proc? And if you do cancel the cast is there a stop cast macro, or a stop cast command? I seem to not be able to find one and I have done some dps comparisons between letting the cast go through and canceling the cast. I've noticed by letting the casting through I gain a DPS increase while losing DPS by canceling the cast.
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    I believe you should always cancel your current cast if your last proc'd firestarter. If you finish the current cast, there's the chance you may proc again and lose your last proc which is a substantial DPS loss.

    EDIT: As far as how to cancel your current cast, move.
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    Last edited by PhaZe; 10-20-2013 at 06:45 PM.

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    Malirris Daegon
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    Never cancel a cast....EVER. Use procs as soon as they come up, but don't interrupt a cast to do so.
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    Loltho Cizia
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    Can some1 tell me - using flare again in second swiftcast (convert on CD), so u need to use transpose for UM1 , 1 sec w8, thunder 2, ~3,3s cast on Fire 3 is dps lost or gain compared to swiftcast or even cast BliZ3 (~1,7sec at AF3) , thunder 2, ~1,7s cast fire 3, cast fire... ? (pls dont talk about pots)

    Basicli my question is if using flare when convert is on CD is dps gain or lost
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    Ashelia Dalmasca
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loltho View Post
    Can some1 tell me - using flare again in second swiftcast (convert on CD), so u need to use transpose for UM1 , 1 sec w8, thunder 2, ~3,3s cast on Fire 3 is dps lost or gain compared to swiftcast or even cast BliZ3 (~1,7sec at AF3) , thunder 2, ~1,7s cast fire 3, cast fire... ? (pls dont talk about pots)

    Basicli my question is if using flare when convert is on CD is dps gain or lost
    I would use flare when you have 3 stacks of astral fire, then use convert and cast flare instantly again. I would use transpose after that and return to the regular rotation.
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    Aether Flow
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    I do plan from going from the tried n true thunder 2 to apply n t3 for procs to just thunder 3 for various reasons. Mainly threat problems. I know out there, there are blm better geared than I am n prob have noticed the same, when it comes to be with tanks who are just gearing you are gonna pull aggro off the bat, sometimes at the start or when a firestarter/thundercloud procs to early.

    Thunder 2(or 3 something ill be doing on gearing up tanks) than a hardcast fire 3 is done for this sole reason, to allow tanks to build aggro, swiftcasting fire 3 is not ideal as you can potentially pull aggro, much more when a fire 3 decides to be a jerk and crit. Casting thunder 3 on all mobs is counter intuitive, if you decide that throwing thunder on all of a mob group is ideal for you than go thunder 1.
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    My super AE combo:

    F3 > F2 till low mana > B3 > pause a blink > F3 > F2 till low > Flare > Covert > Swift Flare... Booom headshot
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    Mishaela Aveeli
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loltho View Post
    Basicli my question is if using flare when convert is on CD is dps gain or lost
    If you use Flare when Convert is down, you are definitely losing DPS by having to wait for your MP to regen via transpose (and not having thecast speed buff from tier 3 UI) *UNLESS* you are going to pop an ether/elixir for enough MP to get a Blizzard III or *UNLESS* as mentioned a page back you have a Firestarter proc that just popped up and you do something like SC Flare > Transpose for 1 tick > Fire III > Fire || Blizzard III. Generally SC Flare on sigle target is good damage at the end of your fire spam rotation, but only once every 2 minutes. Use the intermediate swiftcast for somehting else.

    Quote Originally Posted by AsheliaDalmasca View Post
    I would use flare when you have 3 stacks of astral fire, then use convert and cast flare instantly again. I would use transpose after that and return to the regular rotation.
    If we're talking about single target, you would be wasting MP and DPS time by doing this. At 50, Convert is probably going to give you about 1200 MP (plus or minus a bit), which you should use on Fire, Thunder 2, and Blizzard 3. Spending 1200 on Flare is a lavish waste of MP, not to mention its cast time is long and that using Transpose slows you down a lot while you wait on UI 1's slower MP recovery and miss out on UI 3's cast speed buff.

    I would recommend only using Flare when Convert is not ready as a "finishing blow" kind of move when a trash pack is at low HP and it won't matter if you need to spend ~10 seconds getting your good DPS rotation going again. Flare's good but it's not good enough to sacrafice your rotation to use.
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    Taszilla Tas
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    So hi to all i saw a lots off threads about the rotation about the black mage but no a singel one about the stats.

    I know you guys talking here about rotation but what you thinks are the best stats for a mage after int > hit ..... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taszilla View Post
    So hi to all i saw a lots off threads about the rotation about the black mage but no a singel one about the stats.

    I know you guys talking here about rotation but what you thinks are the best stats for a mage after int > hit ..... ?
    Determination is good to have
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