Please nerf Holy.

[Garnatian]

Actually, if you put up cleric stance and use all your DoTs then turn cleric stance off, those DoTs remain with the same potency from when you had it on.

So just turn cleric stance on, DoT them up, and turn it off.

I am sure I checked this before and DoTs were retroactive with buffs, but I shall go check again.

I just checked, apparently DoTs aren't retroactive with buffs, which is good, however I still have an issue with the fact that Holy requires no greater set up and stuns the target.

Never really had an issue.

Swiftcast -> Shadow Flare
Rouse fairy if needed
Cast DoTs then Bane
Miasma II if you feel like it

Don't even need to drop Cleric Stance since your fairy can do the job pretty easily and Lustrate is based on max HP.

Not much DPS and again, if you don't have to drop Cleric Stance, your Tank isn't taking much damage.

[rocheetbombe]

I am sure I checked this before and DoTs were retroactive with buffs, but I shall go check again.

The potency applies to what your stats are at the initial time it's cast, never during. I tested it mostly with Regen. If I cast Regen, then use Cleric Stance, it still ticks for the same general number. But heavily decreases if I cast it with Cleric Stance already on.

Same goes with defensive buffs. If you receive a DoT, THEN use a defense buff, there's absolutely no damage mitigation versus the DoT.

[Garnatian]

The potency applies to what your stats are at the initial time it's cast, never during. I tested it mostly with Regen. If I cast Regen, then use Cleric Stance, it still ticks for the same general number. But heavily decreases if I cast it with Cleric Stance already on.

Same goes with defensive buffs. If you receive a DoT, THEN use a defense buff, there's absolutely no damage mitigation versus the DoT.

I just checked, you are correct.

However my main issue is that, while casting Bio/BioII/Miasma/Shadow Flare + Bane takes 10s ~ a WHM can weave in and out and cast Holy when needed and it even acts as a defensive CD with the stun.

[rocheetbombe]

I just checked, you are correct.

However my main issue is that, while casting Bio/BioII/Miasma/Shadow Flare + Bane takes 10s ~ a WHM can weave in and out and cast Holy when needed and it even acts as a defensive CD with the stun.

But it's not THAT strong unless heavily spammed and Shroud of Saints afterwards to try and recover the MP cost. I only use it against the beetles and flan adds on the boss. Your strong point is that since you rely on DoTs for damage, you do far more consecutive damage versus a single target like a boss without wasting away MP spamming one ability like Holy or Stone II.

It's basically the same thing with Summoner vs Black Mage.

[Garnatian]

But it's not THAT strong unless heavily spammed and Shroud of Saints afterwards to try and recover the MP cost. I only use it against the beetles and flan adds on the boss. Your strong point is that since you rely on DoTs for damage, you do far more consecutive damage versus a single target like a boss without wasting away MP spamming one ability like Holy or Stone II.

It's basically the same thing with Summoner vs Black Mage.

I can only assume you haven't speedrunned Wanderer's. Holy will be used in EVERY pack. A SCH wouldn't be able to pull this off simply due to the massive set up time and the lack of a AoE stun.

You wouldn't use Holy on a single target so I'm un-sure why you bring that up. The strong point you mention isn't even a strong point, MP inside boss fights isn't even an issue.

[rocheetbombe]

I can only assume you haven't speedrunned Wanderer's. Holy will be used in EVERY pack. A SCH wouldn't be able to pull this off simply due to the massive set up time and the lack of a AoE stun.

That is not to be considered an issue. WHM and SCH use two different types of damage. Again, it's no different from Summoner vs Black Mage. Holy isn't going to be nerfed just because of that, nor are SCH going to be buffed just for the purpose of speed runs.

Arcanist is a DoT class. If you didn't want to use DoTs as your form of damage, you shouldn't have made one. There is nothing wrong with it.

You wouldn't use Holy on a single target so I'm un-sure why you bring that up.

Because I was naming YOUR strengths..... This is starting to sound petty.

[Garnatian]

That is not to be considered an issue. WHM and SCH use two different types of damage. Again, it's no different from Summoner vs Black Mage. Holy isn't going to be nerfed just because of that, nor are SCH going to be buffed just for the purpose of speed runs.

Arcanist is a DoT class. If you didn't want to use DoTs as your form of damage, you shouldn't have made one. There is nothing wrong with it.



Because I was naming YOUR strengths..... This is starting to sound petty.

Why you think having an abundance of MP is important I'll not ever know, you can only do so many things a second and having an infinite amount of MP won't help you. Also, why do you bring up SMN and BLM? It's not really a good comparison considering a SMN doesn't have to dance in and out of a DPS stance and do other things other than dpsing.

There's not much I can say to you. You don't seem to quite grasp the differences. As I've said, you look as if you haven't run Wanderer's speedrunned so you don't really have the experience to understand where I am coming from.

[LostCody]

I just checked, you are correct.

However my main issue is that, while casting Bio/BioII/Miasma/Shadow Flare + Bane takes 10s ~ a WHM can weave in and out and cast Holy when needed and it even acts as a defensive CD with the stun.

so one job has something better then the other?
Why does everyone want too homogenize everything?

wht mage has holy but has trouble keeping mana in long fights without help,so maybe we should give aetherflow too wht mages in the form of a elemental "Draw" to recover mana.
smn don't have great burst outside of fester maybe we should give them flare in the form of a "decay" spell.
warriors have high hp but cant block,give them a new axe that has a shield on the front of it.
all good ideas yes?