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    Alexander Dragonfang
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    No Inmunity Frame for Dragoons.

    http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ry_discussion/

    Second paragraph.

    He also clarified that at the moment ranged damage dealing jobs have an advantage over melee ones because they don’t need to move around as much during some boss fights. That also will be fixed in 2.1. Despite popular demand Dragoon won’t be made invincible while jumping. Bard has is a little too powerful (“just a little”), so it’ll also be adjusted in 2.1

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    So, no Immunity Frame for us confirmed. The only tweak our class really need is being denied. How many of you are angry because of this? how many of you think we should have the Immunity Frame in jumps?

    We should have airborne immunity to attacks, thats the trademark that all dragoons share through the history of FF.

    Not having complete jump skills for us, is like having black mages without black magic.
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    Last edited by Alexander_Dragonfang; 10-20-2013 at 12:58 PM.

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    Yeah because because the ability to avoid any major boss mechanic by using a jump ability wouldn't break the class in the slightest... right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangnz View Post
    Yeah because because the ability to avoid any major boss mechanic by using a jump ability wouldn't break the class in the slightest... right?
    READ, he's not asking for immunity, he's asking for INmunity! he mentions this three times!

    @OP

    don't worry, you'll get your inmunity soon enough.
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    Its confirmed that they are going to make jumps more usable including a faster animation. Invulnerability frames wouldnt work very well anyhow, given the current latency.
    A faster animation is way better.

    ■In Regards to Dragoon
    About Jump
    We will be making adjustments to improve Jump’s usability. (Including a reduction of the animation time). We understand there have been a lot of requests asking to make characters invulnerable while using Jump, but there is a possibility this would cause dragoon to become the only choice for DPS, so we will not be making adjustments for this.
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    Last edited by ChaozK; 10-20-2013 at 12:53 PM.

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    It was shot down. Just means we'll have to get better and prove that it's not needed. Will mistakes occur? Yes. But we're Dragoons. We will always adapt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sangnz View Post
    Yeah because because the ability to avoid any major boss mechanic by using a jump ability wouldn't break the class in the slightest... right?
    I think anyone here is smart enough to understand that of course, there will be exeptions, like primals ultimates, or bosses hard attack mechanics.

    The idea of the immunity frame is to avoid not really strong attacks since that would be gamebreaking, but to avoid most of them. For example, you should`t be able of evade "plumes" with jump, but you should be perfectly able to avoid titan`s landslide or ifrit`s charge.

    Another example, you should be able to avoid "purple lines" on demon wall with a jump, but not repel.

    There are lot of situations, but for many cases, Dragoons just for the sake of being Dragoons, should have the immunity frame.

    PS: Excuse my inmunity, english is not my primary language, immunity is very similar to inmunidad which is the spanish word for it.
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    People complaining about bards not affected by dodge mechanics still doing dps, but want immunity for Jump(which is understandable since that's how it works in the FF series) but this is just having double standards
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    It will feel odd being hit by an earthquake/stomp move whilst in the air...

    But this is the right decision because you just KNOW that there would be some elitists that would insist the only way to do things is with Dragoon's Jump and we'd be the new Bard.

    Everyone would moan and complain and we'd get nerfed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang View Post
    For example, you should`t be able of evade "plumes" with jump, but you should be perfectly able to avoid titan`s landslide
    Why should you be able to dodge an insta-kill mechanic, but can't dodge one that you can easily live from?
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    They're right though, i-frame skills would be broken and would make the game too easy for dragoons. Games like TERA were designed around i-frames but in FF pretty much everything is avoidable if you have the reflexes (and the internet connection) to do it.

    Personally I find dodging stuff quite fun and I expected no less from playing a melee class; I just want some compensation for the loss of dps and the risks I am taking while doing it. If they say they will address the imbalance between ranged vs melee then I am happy
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