Tanking - WAR and PLD. There is no "Better".

[Illya]

Btw, what do you take into accoutn when you count pld mitigation ? Shield oath, block rate, CDs, dodge chance from flash 21sec per minute, rage of halone debuff, stoneskin when the boss turns around ? I guess you never did use this one, which is a shame, given that warriors have no trouble saying they can IB 4 times a minute with perfect coordination with all their CD, yet stoneskin is half an inner beast with no downside (like loosing your stacks), and most fight endgame allow for numerous opportunities to cast it unpunished. Same goes for flash if you don't count it, i don't know what the dodge chance is, but i think it is about 10%. You can have an uptime of one third of the time, which lead to over 3% more mitigation overall -- aka definitely not negligible. Just wondered if you weren't even lowballing the difference

These charts usually only show passive mitigation, i.e. PLD stands there and does nothing in Shield Oath, WAR stands there and does nothing in Defiance (+Wrath). That's the only thing which can be directly compared, since PLD's CDs and WAR's CDs are completely different and WAR's CDs are all total crap.

When you take PLD's CDs into consideration, the chart becomes so lopsided that you can no longer see the WAR on it.

[Casper]

These charts usually only show passive mitigation, i.e. PLD stands there and does nothing in Shield Oath, WAR stands there and does nothing in Defiance (+Wrath). That's the only thing which can be directly compared, since PLD's CDs and WAR's CDs are completely different and WAR's CDs are all total crap.

When you take PLD's CDs into consideration, the chart becomes so lopsided that you can no longer see the WAR on it.

The amount of mitigation for PLD is 32-33% constantly. This suggest that it takes into account sword oath, but also i guess blocking (about 7.5% maybe ?) and rage of halone (which should be what, 5% ?). Dunno if CDs are averaged to get to the final value or not, but it seems like flash is not accounted for at all, nor is stoneskin (else the beginning of pld curve would be higher like it is for warrior).

Just for once i would like a REAL comparison taking everything into account so we can have a nice graphic showing once and for all how abyssmal warrior currently is for almost anything. And btw, i don't think assuming 18sec uptime per minute of flash and 2 stoneskin per minute is a stretch, and it would actually imply a much higher baseline for paladin.