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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius View Post
    I've finished turn 4 with SCH/SCH and it went amazing. we CAN aoe heal enrage and the tank heals are amazing with 2 sch's and 2 eos's it was pretty easy. dont underestimate SCH+SHC guys! just need to be coordinated
    Really? Wow, looking forward to that when I get SCH *^*
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    Quote Originally Posted by YanDere View Post
    Really? Wow, looking forward to that when I get SCH *^*
    Yep! its very enjoyable. almost always a 10% SS down and keeping eye/virus on rotate with our summoner as-well. i used to be an avid person to agree with SCH buffs but now im not so sure. we are VERY strong. all you need to get is your BiS and your pretty much set. so for any potential sch's out here. get your af2 chest FIRST then get a vanya hat of healing and slot materia into it then fill with allagan pieces from there.
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  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius View Post
    Yep! its very enjoyable. almost always a 10% SS down and keeping eye/virus on rotate with our summoner as-well. i used to be an avid person to agree with SCH buffs but now im not so sure. we are VERY strong. all you need to get is your BiS and your pretty much set. so for any potential sch's out here. get your af2 chest FIRST then get a vanya hat of healing and slot materia into it then fill with allagan pieces from there.
    Well, I assume you balance the little loss of healing power with the big dps gain due to double buffs. I really love SCH, after BLM (Swiftcast, you know XD), it's gonna be my next job
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  4. #84
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    At the final stage of Turn 4 we switch to eos eos so we can steady her and and have Whispering dawn on rotate and blow our rouse at the same time we then switch out between tank heal and succor so it goes

    Me: Succor
    Them:heal tank
    Them:succor
    Me:heal tank

    its also ALOT easier now that i can actually tell eos to heal while i am. but yes selene is a huge DPS gain *_* yay a new SCH <3
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  5. #85
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    Egwene Al'vere
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    I just don't like how Scholars are defined - people say White Mages are reactive, someone gets damaged someone gets healed, and Scholars are preventative, we bubble, they don't take damage. It would be true, if we could constantly bubble people without going oom. In 8 man content I never bother using Adlo on the tanks because one hit will eat up the damage anyways unless I crit, which you can never rely on. I feel like we need some more utility to really fill the role we are supposed to be. Free procs on succor/adlo, proccing guaranteed crits with adlo/succor, that sort of thing. Maybe make our overheals bubble a target for the amount overhealed so there is actually a use in spamming embrace manually other than quicker heals.

    As it stands we are the ultimate reactionary healing class. We spam Embrace manually so when the tank takes damage he instantly has a heal on him, then we use Physick as quick as we can. In 4 man content Adlo starts proving its worth a little more when the damage is a bit toned town and the AoE damage is actually preventable with some bubbling. In 8 mans the best it's used for pre-casting succor before AoE damage to prevent damage, and using it after so the WHM doesn't have to use Medica as many times.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my Scholar, but the mechanics so far are a little underwhelming, our traits don't do anything for us, and our class defining feature - bubbles - are a little underwhelming, unless you crit
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  6. #86
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    I disagree with you, Peaches, that Adlo is useless in 8 man content because it's immediately eaten up.

    Damage prevented is damage never taken.

    That's damage that never ate into your tank's healthbar. That's damage that you don't have to heal up later.

    Is it expensive? Yeah. Why is it expensive? Because half of the Adlo spell is a guaranteed fully-effective heal. That's also why Succor is expensive. Any time I heal as a WHM, part of my healing will almost certainly go to Overhealing. If I use Medica, that chance is greatly increased. If I use Medica II, it's basically guaranteed. But while the actual heal part of the spell may go to overhealing, the Adlo bubble itself never will. And that is why it's expensive. That's also why it's far more powerful than you realize.
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    Yes, you are right that damage not taken is damage you don't need to heal. But when I'm healing for 500 with Adlo for what, two-three times the cost of Physick, I'm better off just using Physick>Physick instead of Adlo>Physick. If you're using Adlo on tanks in Titan you're gonna go OOM really quickly, because half the time you have to spam heals to keep them topped up. The ONLY time I use it on a tank in that is right before Mountain Buster as a safeguard. Other than that it's not much worth it.

    But like I said I use it all the time in 4 man content, because that 500 shield can actually take a hit or three. In 4 man content, using Adlo can spare you having to heal for a solid 5-15 seconds sometimes, actually gaining you MP over Physick. Just not so in healing intensive fights like Titan.
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    I use Aldo in healing intensive fights such as Titan because the other healer will be curing them to full and I give them a shield. If you have two SCHs then just assign one of you to Aldo duty and that solves the problem of not stacking. I also don't have MP issues even without a Bard for the Titan fight by doing this. If the tank doesn't have a shield on I Aldo.
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  9. #89
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    If that is the case you would be using nothing except Adlo. You use Adlo once, the next hit will use up the bubble, which means you have to use it again. That's like 400-600mp blown in two hits (can't remember exact cost).
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    Quote Originally Posted by peaches View Post
    If that is the case you would be using nothing except Adlo. You use Adlo once, the next hit will use up the bubble, which means you have to use it again. That's like 400-600mp blown in two hits (can't remember exact cost).
    Adlo is the only spell effect other than Stoneskin that gives Effective Health. Unlike Stoneskin, it can Crit and scales independently from tank gear.

    And actually, while I'm on the subject...

    Adlo and Succor are not meant to be spammed. That is why their price is high. Like Medica, Medica II, Cure III and even Cure II (depending on gear level), they are meant to be spells you use under certain circumstances.

    White Mages and Scholars are good at different things, and this is intentional. If Scholar were as good at straight up healing as White Mages are, no one would bring anything else. Why would you? You'd have a Scholar who brings extra DPS + Effective Health + Amazing Healing + great mana regen. So why would you ever bring a White Mage, who has only one spell with a long cast for Effective Health, no other bubbles, can't really DPS and heal at the same time due to...mana concerns. Yeah, all they have going for them is rocking healing. If you give that to Scholars, there's no reason to bring White Mages. Ever.

    Part of being an Effective Health healer is learning the phases of a fight. It means knowing when you need to get your bubbles out, and when it's safe to let the other healer (or healers) heal up the damage that's already been taken. Healers whose focus is on Effective Health do not do well in content they have not yet learned, because bubbles really only shine when you put them out before the damage happens. Which requires you to know the fight. However, once you know when that incoming damage is going to happen, you're untouchable.

    Again, Adlo and Succor are not meant to be spammed. That's why they're expensive. They're meant to be used at the right time during a fight.
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    Last edited by LiadansWhisper; 10-17-2013 at 02:12 PM. Reason: For Clarity.

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