PLD is a waste on anything other than Titan and Coil.

[Maelwys]

OP is a troll. He is pulling numbers out of his ass and making non-arguments combined with personal attacks. Stop feeding him. Put him on your ignore list and walk away.

Curse you and your impeccable logic.



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[wonka11]

I know nothing about the game, make broad, incorrect statements while accusing people of the same, don't read comments about the examples given while then acting like I know it all

I just fixed that entire post for you. Theres so many things wrong in there, combined with misconceptions and lack of reading on what I've actually posted, its really not even worth replying to you at this point.

Just topping off a tank on under gear content is likely to over heal him. Waiting for him to get low and hitting him with a giant heal, is likely to over heal the tank if its a Paladin (proven). How you don't know this, is simply indicative to not playing the class, or a grade F troll.

I just, I don't even want to spend my time talking to people here that obviously don't know what they're talking about and are as blatantly jaded on the subject as you are. I have better things to do.

Last but not least, paladins will never be as good at farming lower teir instances as Warrior. I pull 2-3 packs in AK on my warrior while Aoeing to hold agro with Overpower [Deals damage] (something a paladin can't do) while our BM and Bard blow the pack up. I deal significantly more damage than any paladin doing what is my basic AOE overpower, and I also deal more damage doing my basic agro rotations on single targets than paladins do. If paladins want to attempt to keep up, they have to go out of their way to break their 1-2-3 rotation to deal more damage than their normal rotation provides, which messes with their agro when attempting to hold down packs with high damage AOE classes.

You just can't argue it.

[Avalon_Albrook]

Dat hyperbole.

It's been proven many times the difference in DPS is no where near the level you are making it out to be.

Troof. Well, from my limited experience slicing and dicing during runs while with a Warrior. In fact, to my amusement, last night during a Titan run, I was just a breath away from out-DPSing the Warrior who was OTing, despite being equally geared in relic and almost all DL. And I was out-DPSing two of our DPS, which is just all kinds of wrong.


EDIT: Oops, have now read the entire thread. Troll posters say troll things.

[Ariyn]

I heard PLD tanking often get around 120 dps.. so if he's pulling up to 180 dps in tanking stance thats a pretty big difference.

I'm averaging around 140-150 dps in Shield Oath in coil ... so him doing 180 isn't that much of a boost. Not to mention I can promise you I would take a ton less damage then his setup. There is no reason what so ever outside of blowing through lowbie content for a war to try to max out str. They have enough tanking issues why add in more

Last but not least, paladins will never be as good at farming lower teir instances as Warrior. I pull 2-3 packs in AK on my warrior while Aoeing to hold agro with Overpower [Deals damage] (something a paladin can't do) while our BM and Bard blow the pack up. I deal significantly more damage than any paladin doing what is my basic AOE overpower, and I also deal more damage doing my basic agro rotations on single targets than paladins do. If paladins want to attempt to keep up, they have to go out of their way to break their 1-2-3 rotation to deal more damage than their normal rotation provides, which messes with their agro when attempting to hold down packs with high damage AOE classes.

Congrats. You can out damage a PLD. Too bad your job isn't about damage. Your job is to mitigate damage not deal it. Something that most war's don't seem to comprehend. War's have the tools they need to do so (provided they do need a little buff imo) but if you prefer to go full str then you are only adding salt to the wound. People don't want WARs because they already take more mp to keep up and instead of doing everything you can to fix the problem you're adding to it

[wonka11]

Troof. Well, from my limited experience slicing and dicing during runs while with a Warrior. In fact, to my amusement, last night during a Titan run, I was just a breath away from out-DPSing the Warrior who was OTing, despite being equally geared in relic and almost all DL. And I was out-DPSing two of our DPS, which is just all kinds of wrong.

Indicative of player skill/class. Paladins can't keep up with Warrior damage when the proper skill rotations are being used; especially if the paladin is attempting to hold agro on Titan and warrior is free to dps. I've parsed some pretty damn good damage running warrior and marauder against equally DL geared DPS. The idea that Paladins can keep up with the DPS of a warrior playing properly while maintaining agro on a monster is a fiction.

I'm still working on gear, but I want to get it to the 250 dps point I've seen some DPS geared Marauders dish out when off tanking.

[Avalon_Albrook]

Indicative of player skill/class. Paladins can't keep up with Warrior damage when the proper skill rotations are being used; especially if the paladin is attempting to hold agro on Titan and warrior is free to dps. I've parsed some pretty damn good damage running warrior and marauder against equally DL geared DPS. The idea that Paladins can keep up with the DPS of a warrior playing properly while maintaining agro on a monster is a fiction.

I'm still working on gear, but I want to get it to the 250 dps point I've seen some DPS geared Marauders dish out when off tanking.

...That's nice, I guess?

See, the actual point of the matter for me is, I don't actually give a rat's ass in the end what my actual DPS is, or a Warrior's. (the Titan example was only known to me because my healer friend I was on skype with at the time was looking at the numbers during the fight and shared them with me) My concern is singular, and it's "don't let my party die and do whatever I can to give my party the greatest possible chance of success". So should be the concern of every single tank that plays. So, any Warrior that wants to dick measure with "lol I hit harder than you" and similar statements? Um, good for you? You feel free to go and hit harder than me. Watch me care as my damage remains consistent and easily manageable while still tanking numerous mobs despite full DPS onslaught and holy spams from a WHM.

[wonka11]

Congrats. You can out damage a PLD. Too bad your job isn't about damage. Your job is to mitigate damage not deal it.

Too bad your job isn't about damage.


Too bad your job isn't about damage.


Too bad your job isn't about damage.

You're not serious, right?

Last I checked, my job is to heal up damage, using damage, not simply just mitigate it. Only mitigating damage is a Paladin's job. I'm a reactive tank. Why are you posting this?

[wonka11]

See, the actual point of the matter for me is, I don't actually give a rat's ass in the end what my actual DPS is, or a Warrior's.

Original post: Troof. Well, from my limited experience slicing and dicing during runs while with a Warrior. In fact, to my amusement, last night during a Titan run, I was just a breath away from out-DPSing the Warrior who was OTing, despite being equally geared in relic and almost all DL. And I was out-DPSing two of our DPS, which is just all kinds of wrong.

Don't make posts about damage, concerning damage on the forum then?

[karateorangutang]

And all this matters until....

*drumroll*

Job updates come!

[Avalon_Albrook]

Don't make posts about damage, concerning damage on the forum then?