Job Customization

[Sylve]

An example even is that because so mach of wrath's combat was proc based, like critting on a spell reset a cooldown, or made the next other-spell free (like Cure/Cure2/Cure3, but a whole lot better), there was so much gearing choice in Warcraft, and believe it or not, both were very viable. Healer's could gear for critting, and procs, or the could gear for casting really fast. Because the gear affected the job, like paladin had an equip that lowered the cost of one method's primary heal, it was the best in slot for that sort of build. However, the other build had a best in slot libram that was a different piece, and both managed to be competitive.Discipline priests were great tank healers, if they spec'd for it, or they were great raid healers (by mitigating damage) if they spec'd for it. The gearing was different, and people dedicated to jobs often carried multiple sets.

Here, the gear is so bland. The only reason Warrior's don't wear Valor Surcoat is because it says PLD on it. (Bit of sarcasm, I don't know what the WAR's i90 stats are).

I don't know, it's a shame that it appears I'm in the minority here, but everything is so bland in choices. Everybody does everything exactly the same, if they can.

You realize that there was no way to spec separately for raid healing or tank healing as a Disc Priest, and all it involved, was a mouseover macro bound to Power Word: Shield and the occasional Prayer of Healing/ Prayer of Mending? And should i also mention that more than one Disc Priest in a raid meant the second Priest, or even the Holy Priests couldn't use their own Shields due to how Weakened Soul worked?
And those Librams didn't last long at all, they killed off the spell bonuses fast when people were keeping ilvl 200 Relics and Librams all the way up to Lich King because the benefits to the one spell overshadowed the stat gains from higher ilvl drops. Once again, the illusion of choice.
As to the bland gear argument ... We're getting the Vanity slots soon, so you can look however you like.

I should also mention that gear appearances in WoW are so bland these days, that the Raid drops are just recolored Tier set pieces. Oh, and Raid drops are virtually pointless since the Tier set bonuses exist.
The only reason people have not complained is because of Transmogrification and 5 years worth of Expansion sets.
Crafted gear is also pointless since its overshadowed by Tier sets and often the stuff that drops out of raids anyways.

You seem to be looking at WoW through some VERY rose tinted goggles here buddy.

[Kallera]

As to the bland gear argument ... We're getting the Vanity slots soon, so you can look however you like.

I should also mention that gear appearances in WoW are so bland these days, that the Raid drops are just recolored Tier set pieces. Oh, and Raid drops are virtually pointless since the Tier set bonuses exist.
The only reason people have not complained is because of Transmogrification and 5 years worth of Expansion sets.
Crafted gear is also pointless since its overshadowed by Tier sets and often the stuff that drops out of raids anyways.

You seem to be looking at WoW through some VERY rose tinted goggles here buddy.

Vanity System be damned, I don't want this to be our future.

[Sylve]

Vanity System be damned, I don't want this to be our future.

I don't think we have to worry about that here.
My reasoning is quite simple, Just how many FF games are there? the Art Team here has a ridiculous catalog of armor themes and such they can use. The Vanity System they go with will only enhance that, so we if we don'thappen to like the one thats currently the highest ilvls, we can always use a previous set we DID like.
We also have the ability for them to drop in straight up cosmetic sets for armor that was iconic or popular in older FF titles.

[Kallera]

I don't think we have to worry about that here.
My reasoning is quite simple, Just how many FF games are there? the Art Team here has a ridiculous catalog of armor themes and such they can use. The Vanity System they go with will only enhance that, so we if we don'thappen to like the one thats currently the highest ilvls, we can always use a previous set we DID like.
We also have the ability for them to drop in straight up cosmetic sets for armor that was iconic or popular in older FF titles.

But for all of its looks, it will come through raid raids and more raids, to the detriment of all other content.

Why level your chocobo? Get some friends, noob!
Why craft? dungeon#30's drops are practically required, you know?
Why---etc.

[Sylve]

But for all of its looks, it will come through raid raids and more raids, to the detriment of all other content.

Not true. I doubt the Lightning FATE event will be the last of its kind.
We may even see craftable statless gear that just has a unique look for the Vanity system. We know we get to make furniture items for houses. Would be silly not to utilize that for equipment also.
FATEs, Dungeons, Raids, DoL/DoH even PvP may all see some way to pick up unique gear sets.

[Steeled]

As to the bland gear argument ... We're getting the Vanity slots soon, so you can look however you like.

Ugh, I want more than cosmetic. I want to actually be different, if that's my choice. Not inferior-different (herpaderp, I'm gonna wear hoplite (ak60 tank set) because I think it looks cool), but different because I made a choice for my playstyle and the content I tackle.

I should also mention that gear appearances in WoW are so bland these days, that the Raid drops are just recolored Tier set pieces. Oh, and Raid drops are virtually pointless since the Tier set bonuses exist. ...

You seem to be looking at WoW through some VERY rose tinted goggles here buddy.

Lol, I can't help how dumb that game is getting, but it was better, for a time. If modern WoW bears any similarity to a few years ago, set bonuses didn't always make a set better (lots of jobs would aim for 2pc and ignore 4pc), and sometimes /gasp, the set survived through the next tier. A set bonus good enough that it was worth a minor loss to your primary stats that higher ilvl gear would bring.

You are right about the librams being stripped of properties (totems etc too) but that was part of the dumbing-down of everything. At the same time they did that, all healers became the same, stats like attack power and spellpower were removed from gear, as well as defense rating. (At that point, INT gave nearly ever stat casters/healers could want). It's also WoW's fault for, through the entirety of Wrath, not making more interesting Librams to replace those old ones. They didn't even try.