Scholars - missing the point

[Espon]

Pretty sure WHM beats SCH in main tank healing. It's like people don't know Divine Seal is a thing. I pop that and my cure II's are making Lustrate look really, really bad. I pay for that in mana, but that plus Benediction allows me to keep up with heavy hits that Lustrate will not. Even if you have Lustrate, outside of that SCH lack raw healing power to keep up on excessive damage.

Benediction is on a on a 5 minute cooldown and is meant for emergencies, where as Lustrate can be used up to 3 times a minute and is off the GCD. They really shouldn't even be compared. You're also forgetting that we have a fairy to help compliment our healing, and can get a +40% boost from Rouse if need be (which is kind of similar to Divine Seal in a way). Adioquium also has an effective rate of 600 due to its shield (which doubles on a crit), and that shield helps cushion the hits.

I'm not saying Scholar is the better main tank healer, but they definitely have the tools to do it very well.

[ApolloGenX]

^^ Agree with the above... plus the Adloquium heal+shield works well with the pet heal at the same time for a nice sized tank heal/shield.

The SCH has more reliable, more readily available tank healing abilities... the whm has CDs to help deal with it, but the SCH toolset/pet is imo better for tank healing.

Depending on length of fight, non-procced Cure 2s eat mana, but SCH can keep up sustainable tank healing forever without a bard.

[Arale]

Benediction is on a on a 5 minute cooldown and is meant for emergencies, where as Lustrate can be used up to 3 times a minute and is off the GCD. They really shouldn't even be compared. You're also forgetting that we have a fairy to help compliment our healing, and can get a +40% boost from Rouse if need be (which is kind of similar to Divine Seal in a way). Adioquium also has an effective rate of 600 due to its shield (which doubles on a crit), and that shield helps cushion the hits.

I'm not saying Scholar is the better main tank healer, but they definitely have the tools to do it very well.

I'm not saying they can't do the role, I'm just saying I believe WHM does it better. Lustrate needs to be per minute because its not a full heal. Benediction can bring a about to be dead tank back to a full HP tank. This lets the WHM focus on throwing other heals out or doing something else like removing status effects and what not. It has a long cooldown, but full HP restore is the ultimate clutch. While the SCH is still throwing lustrates out, a WHM is already doing other things on the battle check list.

[DenzelTaru]

Aside from the double stacking of bubbles argument I feel a lot of scholars are entirely missing the point of the class. If the devs gave you equal healing to WHM's you would be incredibly OP

Took my FC members to Hydra > Ifrit > Garuda.. We had a PUG WHM from outside Hydra.. His HPS was 106.. mine was 146 + 64 from pet.. I agree with you, we are not a heal face hits job but when you have such terrible support as i did today, i do a very good job of healing face too lol.. just requires alot more planning of your aetherflow stacks leaving some free for energy drains

[Saiyanbob]

Lustrate can be used almost 3 times in a single global. This means a SCH (if they used all Aetherflow on Lustrate) gets a 60 percent HP heal over a single global every 60 seconds compared to a WHM 5 min CD. No Comparison. Also the shield from Adlo and Succor DOUBLE when there is a Crit so if you crit Adlo for 1100 (My Average Crit on a Paladin) the Shield is 2200 making the effective Heal 3300 with 2200 of that being impossible to overheal.

Combine that with the fact that Rouse+Whispering Dawn -> Sacred Soil -> Virus with Eye for an Eye thrown in any time its off CD can make it so the tank recieves ~ 10 percent less dmg for all but 6 seconds in a minute.

Also I am not sure how much a WHM's Cure is in Coil level gear but Adlo for me on average is around 750 with a 750 shield making it about 1500 + Fairy Embrace for about 700ish at the same time. That's 2300 in a Global.

If you think SCH aren't just as good at tank healing as a WHM or better you simply dont know SCH.

[Garnatian]

Lustrate can be used almost 3 times in a single global. This means a SCH (if they used all Aetherflow on Lustrate) gets a 60 percent HP heal over a single global every 60 seconds compared to a WHM 5 min CD. No Comparison. Also the shield from Adlo and Succor DOUBLE when there is a Crit so if you crit Adlo for 1100 (My Average Crit on a Paladin) the Shield is 2200 making the effective Heal 3300 with 2200 of that being impossible to overheal.

Combine that with the fact that Rouse+Whispering Dawn -> Sacred Soil -> Virus with Eye for an Eye thrown in any time its off CD can make it so the tank recieves ~ 10 percent less dmg for all but 6 seconds in a minute.

Also I am not sure how much a WHM's Cure is in Coil level gear but Adlo for me on average is around 750 with a 750 shield making it about 1500 + Fairy Embrace for about 700ish at the same time. That's 2300 in a Global.

If you think SCH aren't just as good at tank healing as a WHM or better you simply dont know SCH.

Succor doesn't double, only Adlo.

Embrace isn't on the GCD, it's longer by around 0.6s depending on your gear. That and the fact that you either have to not be healing, or have used an instant to use it on your desired target and then you have to take into account that it requires an extra button press, in no way is it 2 Heals in 2 GCD.

Why are you comparing Cure and Adlo? It's Cure 2 you should compare it with and if you compare it, Cure II has a potency of 650 and costs less MP while Adlo has a potency of 600.

In terms of Tank healing, SCH and WHM are on par, it's the disparity in AoE healing that is the main issue.

The main issue with abilities that can simultaneously heal and shield is that fact that chaining the abilities yields to inefficient results since in most cases, by the time the 2nd cast has finished, the shield will still exist on the target. Now, the way you get around this is to simply allow for a heal that has a smaller potency, but no shield which is exactly what they did for Adlo by having Physick, however for some strange reason, they completely forgot about it for Succor meaning chain casting Succor just leads to very inefficient results so what SCH need is essnetially an AoE Physick the same way that Succor is an AoE Adlo.

[Vortok]

I'm not asking for equal Healing, I am asking for equal opportunity of in-efficient Heals. As in stands, a Scholar has a higher probability of casting a Heal that is in-efficient because they cannot choose to Heal or to Shield.

This bugged me at first too, especially with Succor. Eventually I realized, though, that Scholars have way better mana management/regen than WHM. A Scholar can afford to be inefficient. People are full, completely wasting half the spell, but you know an AOE is coming so you pre-cast Succor? A Scholar can waste half the spell and be fine. Repeatedly. We can rez multiple people and still finish the fight at full MP in some situations. For a WHM that's almost a pipe dream. When you consider that, the inefficiency of the shield spells in some situations (spamming or precasting) isn't as bad as it first appears.

I do agree with the sentiment that the Scholar requires a bit more fight knowledge (particularly in relation to aoes) to perform well... but it somehow seems fitting that a Scholar requires knowledge to do well, hehe.

[eronaile]

How do I prevent fairies from using certain skills automatically? I tried to use 'Obey' command but it just pops up the error message 'Invalid target'.
If I draw their skills in my own skill bars, do they still use them automatically?

[sosowie]

Obey requires that you first have a mob targeted. In Obey, a faerie will cast Embrace and (unfortunately) Whispering Dawn on her own.

[JonFarron]

Obey requires that you first have a mob targeted. In Obey, a faerie will cast Embrace and (unfortunately) Whispering Dawn on her own.

Use Steady, she will only use Embrace.