WAR in BC. Do we need it?

[Yagrush]

While I'm happy people are able to tank BC with Warrior, I don't think anyone smart enough would question their viability in actually being able to tank it, but rather question the upsides, if at all, on running a Warrior over a Paladin.

[Tronic]

First of all, if you had to buy your Titan run in any fashion, your probably not ready for Coil. Warriors may not be ideal, but they can MT the Pimals just fine. They are also capable of OT'ing in coil, again not ideal, but capable.

I think you're missing the point; he had trouble finding PUGs to accept him. And even if they did, how probable is it that you will kill Titan with a PUG? The chances are slim: DF pugs are very unlikely to kill titan. Mhor Dona PUGs take only 1 tank for every 2 tanks out there who need the fight. And if you're making a party, and need to choose a tank, and there's a surplus of them begging to go, and PLDs outnumber WARs 2 to 1 on all servers so there will probably be a PLD available if there is a WAR available, which will you choose? The WAR or the PLD? Unless you know the guy, or the WAR is way overgeared compared to the PLD, you'll take the PLD. That WAR will have to rely on friends/FC to take him, buy his way out, or bash his head against the wall 1000000 times hoping one of them will miraculously net him a kill.

This week I went to BC 3 nights, each time with a different group. 2 of those I got in because I created the PUGs, and one of them was with my FC and I practically had to beg them to take me. We got to Caduceus, got close to killing him, but didn't. The common thread in all 3 nights of raiding: "omg WARs are squishy tanks and mana sponges, if we had had a pally we would've won". I heard it from healers and from DPS, and even from a fellow warrior (we were both in full dl + some myth + relic in that run). And indeed, we often wiped not because of a fuck up (there were many of those, to be sure), but because healers just couldn't keep the WAR alive. We always got to the point where we had nailed the procedure, but bad RNG pwned us every time. So, moral of the story: my pld is lvl 47 and the nightmare is nearly over.

[PessimiStick]

No one is saying you can't do BC with a Warrior tank (though gl in T4 without a PLD), just that you're making it needlessly more difficult for your healers.

[Crimess]

No one is saying you can't do BC with a Warrior tank (though gl in T4 without a PLD), just that you're making it needlessly more difficult for your healers.

So WARS are viable is just that healers are lazy?

[Tronic]

So WARS are viable is just that healers are lazy?

WARs are a worse tanking class than PLDs in end content. So if beating encounter X requires a Y level of gearing for a PLD and healers, and you take a WAR, you need to compensate by having a WAR with Y+1 gearing, or having healers with Y+1 gearing. There's no free lunch, and the WAR entree is more expensive.

[PessimiStick]

So WARS are viable is just that healers are lazy?

Well if you count "I am physically unable to keep you alive during some attempts" as lazy, then sure.

But that's a pretty ridiculous and nonsensical definition of lazy.

[Pavetl]

First of all, if you had to buy your Titan run in any fashion, your probably not ready for Coil.

Well, I didn't want to get in too much detail because this is not the point of my post. But just fyi, I knew the fight by heart. Actually, the guys I made the run with had to make it twice because two of their BRDs died in the first try after phaes 4. I never died and I was hit once or twice by a plume, but nothing more. If I had to buy it was because not a single local PUG wanted to have a WAR and all the FC members with relic or experience in the fight are so disperse doing their stuff that being able to assemble them in one night was complicated (and of course DF is out of the question).

[Logic4u]

First of all, if you had to buy your Titan run in any fashion, your probably not ready for Coil. Warriors may not be ideal, but they can MT the Pimals just fine. They are also capable of OT'ing in coil, again not ideal, but capable.

I think you missed the point. The reason he bought it was due to public perception.

[KoujiMoreno]

I think you missed the point. The reason he bought it was due to public perception.

Dem feels....

I'm in that boat

Half tempted to just drop my relic quest for WAR and redo it with Paladin. I feel like I could get it by the time I could get it for WAR.

[klops]

We use Paladin/Warrior duo and we are on Turn 5. There is nothing that Paladin/Warrior does better than Paladin/Paladin, but Paladin/Warrior has never been a reason we have died. With Samurais and Ninjas on the horizon and Warriors currently being the only Job with Slashing resistance debuff, we don't have a problem gearing our Warrior for future content.

Good luck!