WAR in BC. Do we need it?

[Pavetl]

Hello everyone.

As many here I have felt the sour taste of WAR discrimination in end game content. I just got my Relic and I am preparing to go into BC but taking into acccount that I was heavily discriminated for Titan HM fight (and yes, I had to buy my Titan win because of this) I assume the situation is not getting better for me in BC. However, taking aside the story and the fun of playing in a new challenging dungeon, do we reeally need to complete BC? I mean, most of the gear is similar to AF+1 and If I can just continue doing AK and gear my char (and with a far better looking armor IMHO), what is the point in doing BC? are there other benefits I am not aware of?

[Seidaku]

BC is kind of fun. I get rocked pretty bad in there as a warrior. Wont be main tank for anything most likely. But the dungeon has some nice mechanics and warriors are decent enough to be the sub tank.

[Cessna]

Yeah, another war here, our Af2 armor just looks So much better than Allagan, to be honest warriors AF and Af2 gears are the only good looking gears war have in the game, everything else looks like it was meant for paladins.

But I'll second that Coil is something fun for Wars to do, and good luck finding people who want you. I'm on first turn and trying to net a win as a war. We have to be over geared =/ for people to even consider us. Can't wait until Square buffs us.

[Riffy]

Can't wait until Square buffs us.

Yes please!

[oceanlord]

But I'll second that Coil is something fun for Wars to do, and good luck finding people who want you. I'm on first turn and trying to net a win as a war. We have to be over geared =/ for people to even consider us. Can't wait until Square buffs us.

meanwhile pld only need DL mixed with hoplite LOL

@OP

aww too bad, you shouldnt need to buy titan wins just keep queueing until you get in a group with paladin and you can just turn off defiance and do some dps
for bc thing, try to find a group or FC who can bring you to tank, i got a few invitation to bc group but i keep rejecting them because i dont even understand why they want a warrior :/ i mean it is a lot easier for them to heal and manage with a paladin
and you need to clear bc turn 5 to continue a main story quest located at vesper bay

[Amra]

I hate to be a downer, but I'd say the larger question is, is there a benefit to being a warrior at all right now? The answer I keep coming to is no. It would be one thing if warrior was just challenging to play and thus only a liability to the group if you were a bad or even average player.

That isn't the case. Warrior is a liability, even if you're an amazing player with the best gear the game can offer. Thus after spending all my money on a relic item I won't ever use, and gearing out my warrior, I am now leaving it on the back burner to level something my FC can actually use in a group.

Without any good group utility (except to increase your paladin MT's damage by 10%), no good damage to speak of (your dps is negligibly better than a paladin's anyways), and terrible survivability as a tank, sadly there is no reason to play this class, except if you really really really want to for some reason.

[Paikis]

Actually the difference in damage can be quite large in a 1 on 1 environment. It is only when you compare damage on an 8 man party scale does the damage difference get down to negligible levels. When your tanks are doing about 200 dps, a tank doing 50 extra damage per second is a 25% increase... but when your raid is doing 2,000 dps, adding the same extra 50 DPS isn't such a big deal (2.5% extra).

The other side of the coin is that WAR damage/threat is not the smooth curve that PLD damage/threat is. It is very spikey. Using damage cooldowns together will give you very large spikes in threat, ideal for letting your DPS players go nuts on the pull, rather than having to slowly ramp up for the PLDs more steady threat generation. This will help a lot on any fight where you are racing a timer, or once you have the fights on farm and are simply trying to clear the fights as quickly as possible.

The rest of what you say is true though, sadly.

[Toranja]

I hate to be a downer, but I'd say the larger question is, is there a benefit to being a warrior at all right now? The answer I keep coming to is no.

We are much better dungeon tanks than PLDs.

[Giantbane]

We are much better dungeon tanks than PLDs.

I'm not sure that's entirely true. With PLD resiliency, the healer is likely going to be a little less stressed for heals so they can DPS.

And our DPS advantage only shines when we have maim and storm's eye up, which requires a threat ramp up time to achieve and doesn't mesh well with our threat holding abilities (overpower/brutal combo). PLD is just what they are straight out of the box, so I don't know if we have any inherent advantages when moving from group to group for quick clears. We may kill the boss a little faster on any boss where the PLD needs to stay in shield oath and can't get by with sword oath.

[Derza]

I'm not sure that's entirely true. With PLD resiliency, the healer is likely going to be a little less stressed for heals so they can DPS.

And our DPS advantage only shines when we have maim and storm's eye up, which requires a threat ramp up time to achieve and doesn't mesh well with our threat holding abilities (overpower/brutal combo). PLD is just what they are straight out of the box, so I don't know if we have any inherent advantages when moving from group to group for quick clears. We may kill the boss a little faster on any boss where the PLD needs to stay in shield oath and can't get by with sword oath.

Warriors are better 4 man dungeon tanks because they require LESS healing than paladins when the incoming DPS is lower than 300-400 dps (depending on how damage focused the warrior is gear wise - aswell as using IB often). So not only do warriors do slightly more DPS they also require less healing in most 4 man dungeon situations. Warriors start to fall way behind when it comes to most 8 man content (well really just HM titan and most of Coil - and the gap can get huge)