Speed-running cut-scene skippers...

[Noahlimits]

or you could EASILY join a shout PUG for it and go with people who all have the same goal rather than ruin the fun of others just because you're lazy.

Or you could EASILY join and shout a PUG that views all cutscenes because you want everyone to wait for you. Works both ways, right?

[Cubester]

Or you could EASILY join and shout a PUG that views all cutscenes because you want everyone to wait for you. Works both ways, right?

No, it doesn't. YOU want to run the dungeon in a way it was not intended to be run. Therefore the burden is on YOU to form a premade group for your run. Not to mention there are probably more disgruntled 50's running around making it a lot easier for you to form a group outside of DF than it is for story runners...

[Noahlimits]

No, it doesn't. YOU want to run the dungeon in a way it was not intended to be run. Therefore the burden is on YOU to form a premade group for your run. Not to mention there are probably more disgruntled 50's running around making it a lot easier for you to form a group outside of DF than it is for story runners...

The minute they made the end game dungeons the best available source of Tombs, they MADE it intended to be speed ran. And regardless of what you, me, or anyone else says, there will always be people who watch the cutscenes (which is fine), and those who finish the dungeon without them.

Blame game design for end game stories giving tombs.

[Musashidon]

The minute they made the end game dungeons the best available source of Tombs, they MADE it intended to be speed ran. And regardless of what you, me, or anyone else says, there will always be people who watch the cutscenes (which is fine), and those who finish the dungeon without them.

Blame game design for end game stories giving tombs.

they didn't intend it to be speed ran why? because ak was buffed up because they ran it as fast as they could and skipped alot? so intended it because it is one of the few ways to get ToPs? no there is other dungeons are they as fast no, but blaming game design for players skipping scenes? no the players fault not the games.

[Noahlimits]

they didn't intend it to be speed ran why? because ak was buffed up because they ran it as fast as they could and skipped alot? so intended it because it is one of the few ways to get ToPs? no there is other dungeons are they as fast no, but blaming game design for players skipping scenes? no the players fault not the games.

From what I could decipher from your post, here's my response:

It wasn't buffed because AK had stupidly fast speed runs (if that's what you were saying, I can barely understand your post). They nerfed AK to fix that. And it is bad game design to force players who have done the dungeon over and over again to play with people who have never done it before. If they had a duty finder option to choose between story and non story groups, I'm sure we'd all be happier.

[Musashidon]

From what I could decipher from your post, here's my response:

It wasn't buffed because AK had stupidly fast speed runs (if that's what you were saying, I can barely understand your post). They nerfed AK to fix that. And it is bad game design to force players who have done the dungeon over and over again to play with people who have never done it before. If they had a duty finder option to choose between story and non story groups, I'm sure we'd all be happier.

nerfed would mean that it was weaker or easier, they made it so you couldn't by pass the trash all the time slowing it down, aka buffing the dungeon, but they do not force you to play with anyone you don't want to, duty finder is a choice to use, saying that you're forced to play with anyone is an exaggeration. the players are intended to watch the cut-scenes first run or 100th doesn't matter you are in fact going against it when you say skip scenes. it is not bannable or even harassment but watching them are intended.

[Noahlimits]

the players are intended to watch the cut-scenes first run or 100th doesn't matter you are in fact going against it when you say skip scenes. it is not bannable or even harassment but watching them are intended.

Cool. Show me where SE says in any way, shape or form that they intend for you to watch the cut scenes on your 100th attempt. I guess that's why there isn't a 'skip cutscene' option.... waitaminute...

and unrelated:

Oh really? The vast majority are employed by a small minority and will do what they are told or will be out of a job.

That analogy doesn't work since all of us are peers. Someone above you at a job position (such as in your example) is not your peer. I don't agree with him, per se, but your analogy is not accurate when it comes to your peers at your job (which everyone playing this game is; peers).

Really? Who is being selfish here, someone who wants to experience the dungeon and story the way it was created or the other 7 people who are only losing some time? That time that they are losing is being spent playing a game so it really isn't as if they are losing time doing something important.

"only losing some time." Just had to LOL at this statement.

and FINALLY:

so if it wasn't intended to be watched over more then once why is there a skip button? why not just only have the scene the very first time and never again?

So you would have the OPTION to watch it if you would choose to do so. Same in EVERY other MMO ever.

[Fyrebrand]

I want my tomestones, and I want them now!

...is basically what I see in all your posts.



You can try to rationalize blatant selfishness and impatience all you want, but at the end of the day you're just another voice whining "I want, I want, I want, me, me, me, me, me!!!" You entered the dungeon because there is something you want from it. You want to get it as fast as possible, and apparently you think that gets you off the hook for refusing to respect other players and act as a team. You seriously can't make somebody's day by granting them an extra few minutes? Whatever time you "save" by running ahead without all your party members is just going to be taken back anyway, due to the lower DPS.

That "blame game design" bunk isn't fooling anyone. "Speed runs" are not a thing. It's just a name we give to people who are in a hurry to get what they want. It's a luxury for when your party members are already familiar with the dungeon, not the default expectation. When you enter Duty Finder, you are agreeing to play with random players who may not have done the dungeon before. That carries with it the implication that if somebody needs to do the story, you will allow them that opportunity and won't be an a-hole about it. If you can't tolerate the possibility of rolling with random newbies, then don't voluntarily enter a queuing system where you might get random newbies. It's really that simple.

[Meklore]

The minute they made the end game dungeons the best available source of Tombs, they MADE it intended to be speed ran. And regardless of what you, me, or anyone else says, there will always be people who watch the cutscenes (which is fine), and those who finish the dungeon without them.

Blame game design for end game stories giving tombs.

Following that logic, try explaining to the judge that the reason you were speeding is because the car manufacturer made a car that could exceed the speed limit.

[LunarEmerald]

No, it doesn't. YOU want to run the dungeon in a way it was not intended to be run. Therefore the burden is on YOU to form a premade group for your run. Not to mention there are probably more disgruntled 50's running around making it a lot easier for you to form a group outside of DF than it is for story runners...

Usually it's the case of 6 or 7 people wanting to speed run and 1-2 being new to it. It's more YOU wanting to slow the group down with your cutscenes.