Speed-running cut-scene skippers...

[Yshnal]

I'm rather tired of this already (it has been discussed a lot and neither side is going to give up and change their stance), so I'll just post two analogies.

1) One of your friends buys a movie and asks you to watch it together. As you've already seen that movie ten times, you tell him/her to fast forward it to skip all the dialogues and whatnot so you can just watch the cool action scenes (and if not you get angry). Then you tell your friend that s/he can watch the movie again when s/he's alone, or watch the key moments on YouTube.

2) You go to the theater to watch a movie that you've already seen because they give you some special limited gift by attending. Once inside, you keep talking loudly with your friends and, when people ask you to let them watch the movie as they haven't seen it yet, you tell them to fuck off and just rewatch it later or buy it and watch it at home.

That's what you're asking people to do with their story when you tell them to watch those cutscenes at a later time. If you don't understand what I mean with those analogies, then trying to explain it is a waste of time.

[Begeta]

Go make a story group then. Feel free to shout for it.

Feel free to watch the cutscenes, but I'm not waiting for you if I've done the dungeon umpteen times. Blame SE for making a storyline dungeon the best source for ToP.

Or instead of being a self important ass, you, being so familiar with and "good" at the dungeons in question, could form the shout group of like-minded individuals to do speed runs. You and you ilk who are so critical of the duty finder and those who use it that "waste your time" by daring to watch a cutscene on their first play through of said dungeon will never again have to be burdened by those "selfish noobs".

[viion]

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1) If you agree to watch it with them, why would you skip it? I don't agree to watch cutscenes and ask people to skip, if my friend bought a movie and i agreed to watch, i'd watch, doesnt make sense, extremely bad analogy. Or I say no, I don't want to watch the film you watch it!

2) What do I gain after going to the cinema? Nothing, I go there for that thing alone: watching a movie. I don't get tokens after, if I did i'd buy the ticket, fast forward film, collect my tokens. I don't do dungeons so I can keep enjoying cutscenes, I do dungeons for the final reward, that is what MOST of the party is there for.

People not skipping are ruining my FFXIV Experience, should make a thread about that!

End of day, comes down to bad game design by SE, should of done it right, like gw2 with story and explorable XD, but in this case story/speed run.

[Stryker]

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Not the same thing. There is no reward in your scenario's. If there is, it doesn't justify going to the movies. I understood your analogy but sadly to say it wasn't very good.

The justification with SR's is that you receive 100 phil tomes after running it. Currently DL is better gear than regular lvl 50 AF and the tomes aren't capped at 300 a piece. Which is a big incentive for people to run them as quickly as possible.

Also many end game groups don't let you in without a lot of your DL or other gear restrictions. So while nobody is forcing you with a gun to your head, many groups are forcing you to get good gear if you want to participate. While making your own party is a reasonable and logical answer it doesn't solve the game's problem.

Let alone some things supposedly are gear checks, I say that because I haven't experienced them yet since I haven't actually fought Titan. Garuda on the other hand is super easy, people can finish that without DL.

[Mordain]

If you use the duty finder you have to understand that you might meet up with people who do not share your same opinions on topics like these. (...) This goes for both sides, live and let live, enjoy each others company instead of fighting and trying to undermine everyone that doesn't agree with you.

Agree 100%. The problem isn't that one way is "correct". Chances are SE did not intend for this problem to arise, and yet it has. The real solution is for each individual to realize that if you use DF you may end up with speedrunners, and you may end up with CS watchers. Use DF with your eyes open and if you luck out and everyone plays like you then great. If not - guess you were unlucky. Don't take it out on the group, though. There is no filter, so if you want to avoid playing with the other type of player don't use the DF - it's the only sure way to address the issue, currently.

[Volcano]

Another topic about this...this has be beaten into the ground already, it is already a proven fact people who have issues with people that watch CSs are just impatient d-bags with serious issues, either that are they were a fool to expect speed runs going in random DF groups.

just ignore them, watch your CSs and move on. you'll actually get the ones who contradict them selves calling you selfish for not catering to them, considering they already seen the CSs and care not for what people other then them want. but this is common.

[Ryutamashiisan]

Why can't you just watch a videotape of your first child being born instead of actually being there?
Why can't you just look at what the weather was like today from the news at the end of the day instead of going outside?
Why can't you just watch FFXIV videos on YouTube instead of playing the game?

Because all those thinngs dont require you holding up 7 other people... I watched all my Praetorium CS's in my inn. iT was actually better cause i didnt have anyone ele's mug all up in my story. I could pick my own outfit ,etc, watch and my own pace. There really no reason to hold up 7 other people to do something that can be better experienced in your inn room.

[Freakiie]

I was one of those guys that were spoiled. I've ran CM probably over 30 times, and I still haven't watched the Cs's lol. On another note, I don't think you can watch all of those Cs's in your Inn, only the victory one. But you can always youtube it and enjoy.

Again, there's a dropdown menu in the inn where you can select every single cutscene no matter how small it is.

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Absolutely no bias in your analogies here whatsoever! Nope, totally not.

Oh and btw, it's not 1 skipper, 7 non skippers. Try more like 1 nonskipper and 7 skippers.

[Choyi]

Again if you want to speed run content, the only way to make sure you end up with like minded induvidials is to make or join a SR party. if you join duty finder you must expect and accept that people do it for the story and might probably want to watch cutscenes and might not know the encoutners.
Just cause you have ran the same dungeon X amount of times doesnt make you entilted to be demanding of others who are there for the first time.
Duty finder is mainly something to use for main story progress, and the times you end up having to use it for tomestone farming you just have to accept that there might be other people in the party you end up with that are there for the first time and want the full experience.

And this is coming from someone who has ran SR dungeons since the first week of launch, if I want to speed run, a premade shout PT is the only way to go, either make it yourself or join one and stop being a selfish jerk to people who want to just finish the main story.

[Maza]

I think you are confused on the concept of logic...if I remember correctly the story line says "Complete the dungeon through Duty Finder" so first timers should definitely be using DF...but you can't expect anyone who's run it once to not use the Duty Finder so that the 5% can run their first time the way they want...it's a bad system and the world's not fair, grow up.

You sir are a delta bravo of the highest calliber.