Market Boards need to work like FFXI AH

[Wulfies]

Hi,

Now that we are hopefully done with trolling and counter-trolling, I wanted to weigh in my 2 gil on the original post:

If I might poke a hole or 2 into your concept.

1) The problem with the blind ah is that it is too easy to do "price-fixing." By that I mean the following (I have seen this done in FFXI) 2 to 4 people start selling say DarkSteel Ore (Sorry all my post examples will use DarkSteel as an example) at about 1 gil. We get some "fake-buyers" to buy them for the at the 1-10 gil. You wanted 10-20 sales in the history, so lets say our little group makes the amount of the history +5 for sake of argument. No one is really stopping people from making sure that the when they hit the history button all they will see is 1-10 gil per DarkSteel Ore (when the price pre-fixing was like 1k). So now you have basically artificially deflated the "value" of DarkSteel Ore. These "price-fixers" would just benefit on a market exploitation (buying everything possible for 1-50 gil and reselling at 1k. Yes, this is an absurdly exaggerated example but concept still holds.

2) Now that you can stack to 99, how do you propose the sale mechanism is for people wanting to buy 50 or 25 or 10?


Thoughts/Comments?

[Fetch]

2) Now that you can stack to 99, how do you propose the sale mechanism is for people wanting to buy 50 or 25 or 10?


Thoughts/Comments?

I love/hate it. Usually I farm everything I need, but for those times you end up 1 or 2 items short, it can be easier to just buy it quickly if it's cheap. I like it for bulk purchases, but I find it frustrating when I only want 1 or 2 items and I can only buy like... 70... or 99. lol I just choose not to and move on. (Or buy all and resell what I don't use. But I hate temporary losses)

But I have noticed... if 99 are being sold at a cost of 100gil each... If I only need a couple, I would rather buy from the guy selling 5 at a cost of 500gil each. You know? So I figure, there must be others out there like me too. So sometimes, if the item is easy to obtain, I'll go farm 20 or so, then sell them in groups of 5 at a higher markup. Typically... the smaller the amount I'm selling, the higher I'll charge.

[Kazamoto]

I acknowledge there are those that agree with you, but the point remains, you referred to yourself in the third person, to support your cause. And this is not the first thread you have done so in.

[MentalPoison]

I acknowledge there are those that agree with you, but the point remains, you referred to yourself in the third person, to support your cause. And this is not the first thread you have done so in.

He doesnt have a cause, he just has common sense. Funny how you now stand there whining that his logical points are so good they are unfair.

Hey I just read up about the next patch, nothing to do with FF11's old stagnant poop system coming in! Thats gotta suck.

Also since you feel cool about it, eventhough I already said im his RL friend.. I even play from his house every so often. Please keep delaying your terrible points about how War World 2 memorabilia being auctioned off in Norway, somehow means that Raptor Hides are selling too low on this video game.

Your not that special, nor are you that smart

Just so you understand why im laughing so hard at the try hards. This was one of this guy's first replies to Bizzy.. Please notice the 'Your not that special/smart', rofl. Now try to understand why people who are against this thread's bad concept, are losing their patience when dealing with people who have trouble mustering intelligent thoughts.

[MistressAthena]

Hi,

Now that we are hopefully done with trolling and counter-trolling, I wanted to weigh in my 2 gil on the original post:

If I might poke a hole or 2 into your concept.

1) The problem with the blind ah is that it is too easy to do "price-fixing." By that I mean the following (I have seen this done in FFXI) 2 to 4 people start selling say DarkSteel Ore (Sorry all my post examples will use DarkSteel as an example) at about 1 gil. We get some "fake-buyers" to buy them for the at the 1-10 gil. You wanted 10-20 sales in the history, so lets say our little group makes the amount of the history +5 for sake of argument. No one is really stopping people from making sure that the when they hit the history button all they will see is 1-10 gil per DarkSteel Ore (when the price pre-fixing was like 1k). So now you have basically artificially deflated the "value" of DarkSteel Ore. These "price-fixers" would just benefit on a market exploitation (buying everything possible for 1-50 gil and reselling at 1k. Yes, this is an absurdly exaggerated example but concept still holds.

2) Now that you can stack to 99, how do you propose the sale mechanism is for people wanting to buy 50 or 25 or 10?


Thoughts/Comments?

I understand this happened in FFXI, never said it didn't have its flaws, and while yes this can happen how is it any different than whats happening on a massive scale?

Basically your saying they have to try alot harder to undercut and drop prices. Which is A-OK with me if its harder, but it can and will happen on some items.

That is better than every single item dropping massively and with no effort like it is now.

He doesnt have a cause, he just has common sense. Funny how you now stand there whining that his logical points are so good they are unfair.

Hey I just read up about the next patch, nothing to do with FF11's old stagnant poop system coming in! Thats gotta suck.

Also since you feel cool about it, eventhough I already said im his RL friend.. I even play from his house every so often. Please keep delaying your terrible points about how War World 2 memorabilia being auctioned off in Norway, somehow means that Raptor Hides are selling too low on this video game.



Just so you understand why im laughing so hard at the try hards. This was one of this guy's first replies to Bizzy.. Please notice the 'Your not that special/smart', rofl. Now try to understand why people who are against this thread's bad concept, are losing their patience when dealing with people who have trouble mustering intelligent thoughts.

yes I typed Your instead of you're. I knew that already. Whether your his friend or not, the fact you feel the need to come in derail the subject, troll, and defend him on a point you think is useless, just shows you have some serious mental issues in a few categories.

[Sinbios]

Damn that wasnt hard at all to find.. I guess he has a lot of socks and puppets.

Wow someone else with no experience of the endgame economy agrees with you, you must feel so validated right now.

Just so you understand why im laughing so hard at the try hards. This was one of this guy's first replies to Bizzy.. Please notice the 'Your not that special/smart', rofl. Now try to understand why people who are against this thread's bad concept, are losing their patience when dealing with people who have trouble mustering intelligent thoughts.

I feel kind of dirty lowering myself to your level but that's funny coming from someone who doesn't understand how apostrophes, ellipses, quote marks, or capitalization work. Even funnier that Bizzybeast seems to have had the same difficulties, and that you're still referring to him in the third person. If you're going to laugh at poor writing style, perhaps try starting with your own?

[MistressAthena]

Wow someone else with no experience of the endgame economy agrees with you, you must feel so validated right now.


I feel kind of dirty lowering myself to your level but that's funny coming from someone who doesn't understand how apostrophes, ellipses, quote marks, or capitalization work. Even funnier that Bizzybeast seems to have had the same difficulties, and that you're still referring to him in the third person. If you're going to laugh at poor writing style, perhaps try starting with your own?

Thank you.

[MentalPoison]

yes I typed Your instead of you're. I knew that already. Whether your his friend or not, the fact you feel the need to come in derail the subject, troll, and defend him on a point you think is useless, just shows you have some serious mental issues in a few categories.

Once is an accident, every single time is ignorance. You should already know which category you fall under.

You do not like people's opinions who differ from yours, especially when they use sources, facts, or logic. This entire thread you've mis-represented the current system, due to your lack of understanding of it and you continue to promote that FF11's blind auction is a "Far Superior System". Regardless of how many argue, rationally, against that bold statement. People have cited multiple problems and flaws, to which you brush aside and say "It has flaws, but its a vastly superior system!", like a politician stuck on stupid.

This system is heavily flawed, especially considering during FF11 simple keyboard macros could cycle through bids until you find the lowest. The whole reason you want this system is because pretending to be a girl isnt getting you loads of free stuff, the current market takes effort for it to pay off. You cannot cut it in this system because youre bad at it and seek to throw in an old system, with many flaws you even admit to, that needs an overhaul to even be remotely functional. Aint nobody got time for that.

Mental issues? "Mistress may refer to: Mistress (lover), a woman, other than the spouse, with whom a married individual has a continuing sexual relationship", and you cannot properly use You're and Your. So I would be more careful about throwing around labels bro.

I don't think blind auction is the way to fix it.

Damn that sucks, yet another person who wouldnt be considered a valid end game opinion, agrees with my side. Oh well.

[MistressAthena]

Once is an accident, every single time is ignorance. You should already know which category you fall under.

You do not like people's opinions who differ from yours, especially when they use sources, facts, or logic. This entire thread you've mis-represented the current system, due to your lack of understanding of it and you continue to promote that FF11's blind auction is a "Far Superior System". Regardless of how many argue, rationally, against that bold statement. People have cited multiple problems and flaws, to which you brush aside and say "It has flaws, but its a vastly superior system!", like a politician stuck on stupid.

This system is heavily flawed, especially considering during FF11 simple keyboard macros could cycle through bids until you find the lowest. The whole reason you want this system is because pretending to be a girl isnt getting you loads of free stuff, the current market takes effort for it to pay off. You cannot cut it in this system because youre bad at it and seek to throw in an old system, with many flaws you even admit to, that needs an overhaul to even be remotely functional. Aint nobody got time for that.

Mental issues? "Mistress may refer to: Mistress (lover), a woman, other than the spouse, with whom a married individual has a continuing sexual relationship", and you cannot properly use You're and Your. So I would be more careful about throwing around labels bro.



Damn that sucks, yet another person who wouldnt be considered a valid end game opinion, agrees with my side. Oh well.

Actually it's intentional. It's "Internet short hand" and simply me typing fast to get the point across. This isn't an exam, nor a paper for a sophisticated journal, nor a book, or anything on that level. I'm sorry you have nothing to argue with, and resort to pointing out my style of writing online. Words of wisdom, read and think about whats typed, not how its typed, as even wise or intelligent thoughts can come in the form of quick and sloppy responses.

If you refer to several pages before, I point out several times that disagreeing with me is more than ok, and it still is. Antagonizing me, flaming me, trolling me, and resorting to personal attacks is not ok with me. Do you understand the difference? I really don't think you do, as you disagree with me, then turn around and insult me, then claim I'm upset because your disagreeing with me. It's a troll mentality, and is honestly extremely childish. I'm sorry to say.

Yet again, you claim the system is heavily then use an example which weighs almost nothing in the argument. The keyboard macro command for that doesn't matter, as it doesn't effect the over all way the FF11 AH worked in any way. Yes I agree the FFXI AH system had a very few flaws, but its still loads better than the current system which has blatantly more flaws and problems.

Some people just don't like the FFXI AH, that's fine, perfectly. I like it. Some like Cheese, others don't. I'm fine, my reasons for liking it are not everyone's. Do you understand this concept as well? I don't think you really do on that point either based by the way your trying to argue.

As for the Mistress. Mistress in the English language has many forms, and meanings. Such As:

1) A woman in a position of authority, control, or ownership, as the head of a household:
2) A woman who owns or keeps an animal
3) A woman who owns a slave.
4) A woman with ultimate control over something
5) A woman who has mastered a skill or branch of learning
6) Mistress Used formerly as a courtesy title when speaking to or of a woman.
7) -Chiefly British- A woman schoolteacher

Sorry to break it to you, but your version of what "Mistress" stands for is the perverted version, and there are many many more meanings which are not.

But should we really go over names, when yours is "Mental Poison". Sounds like a troll name to me.