Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Kelanen]

Just going to chime in here since this seems to be the thread to do it: cross-skills.

I have been going through a lot of different threads comparing case classes (Paladin and Warrior) and that the Warrior (baseline) simply cannot stack up against Paladin; however, is this also true when taking into account cross-skills?

I ask because I do not see any experimentation including skills like Second Wind (takes into account ATK power) or Mantra (increased 20% healing) or Internal Release, all skills which seemed to be made for the Warrior. Perhaps Yoshi was hinting at this when he stated that he was going to let players experiment a bit more to figure it out?

Thanks; I apologize if these skills actually amount to nil endgame.

[PessimiStick]

Second wind heals for like 500 if you're lucky. Mantra is utter crap cross-classed. Yoshi was mistranslated, lying, or incompetent.

[Delorean]

As I was browsing some other forums, I came across this person who is claiming that they're main tanking in Coil. I thought that wasn't possible?

"whats the secret to MTing in BC as a WAR?"
"your healers have to be amazing"
"what do your healers do different than other healers"
"their job"

Sounds like everything everyone who has ever posted anything exclaiming they are tired of hearing people complain about the glaring weaknesses of a class has ever posted to me.

[oceanlord]

Second wind heals for like 500 if you're lucky. Mantra is utter crap cross-classed. Yoshi was mistranslated, lying, or incompetent.

haha mantra only good with trait :/

[Illya]

haha mantra only good with trait :/

Lack of trait or bonus really screws Warriors. No trait bonus from Convalescence or Mantra, no Blind from Flash, etc. At least Provoke actually works, I half-expected WAR with Provoke to have a 50% chance of it failing to land judging from how screwed we got by other cross-class skills.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

Second wind heals for like 500 if you're lucky. Mantra is utter crap cross-classed. Yoshi was mistranslated, lying, or incompetent.

Well to be honest, I've had mine crit for 900+. On it's own, Second Wind heals for little. Yet pair it up with Internal Release and Berserk and it can easily crit 1k.

In the small period that both Berserk and Internal Release have been up, I've manage to (lucky) Crit IB for 2.5K > Infuriate > Crit IB for 2.5k and then Second wind myself for 1k. That's a very rare occurrence and requires multiple CDs to come about. But it has saved me, truth be told. Yet, the very same could be accomplished by just popping Hallowed Ground as a PLD. You live for roughly 10 more secs either way.

[Hundred]

Storm path has to become more credible for sustain. Yeah Old can hallowed ground but that has a huge CD. I think you have to be vary weary of %health gains on WAR.

If there was another % heal Id put it on holmgang.
Rooted in place and the game memorizes all the damage you take during those 6 seconds and heals you back for it over another 6s.

Storm path should be 150% or 175% absorb. Would gladly throw one out now and again.

[Amra]

Storm path has to become more credible for sustain... I think you have to be vary weary of %health gains on WAR.

If there was another % heal Id put it on holmgang.
Rooted in place and the game memorizes all the damage you take during those 6 seconds and heals you back for it over another 6s.

Storm's path just kinda sucks. There's no place for it in a tanking rotation, while you're trying to keep up your 10% slash debuff and also keep up aggro. This move basically needs to be replaced with something more worthwhile, or need to be combined with an existing ability.

Something fundamental needs to change. Perhaps Bloodbath should be a passive effect (minus the awful sound effect). It's a small enough amount of healing that it won't go into overheals 90% of the time, and it can essentially be counted as mitigation.

Love that Holmgang idea! - Also the effect should trigger whether or not you're able to root the target (i.e. against bosses).

[armandojc3]

Second wind heals for like 500 if you're lucky. Mantra is utter crap cross-classed. Yoshi was mistranslated, lying, or incompetent.

An here i was trying to get use it, good to know.

[MaFi0s0]

Storm's path just kinda sucks. There's no place for it in a tanking rotation, while you're trying to keep up your 10% slash debuff and also keep up aggro. This move basically needs to be replaced with something more worthwhile, or need to be combined with an existing ability.

Am I missing something here? The only class that benefits from the slashing debuff is the warrior, you have a choice between generating more agro or a small self heal, are you that strapped for enmity that you choose BB all the time?