Get rid of Stacking Regen/Medica II?

[Kafziel]

I keep seeing that 2 SCH is bad all over the forums, so everytime I've been in a group with 2 SCH's I've been a little nervous about how it would go. But I've done Castrum, Ifrit, Hydra, and Garuda all with another SCH and it hasn't seemed any harder than having a WHM with me. So it seems like the forums exaggerate a bit.

2 scholars aren't bad. However, 2 SCH suffer from their skills canceling each other out while 2 WHM do not. 2 regens and 2 medica/medica II's can bring and entire party back from near death quite quickly. This is not the case with 2 SCH casting succor. 2 SCH casting succor is only spectacular when done with perfect timing as damage is still happening (meaning succor shield is never overwritten or not applied due to it already being up). Scholars have 2 abilities that can lose half their effectiveness if that spell is already present. With 2 SCH this problem is intensified. A lot of people forget that 2 scholars also means 2 fairies. 2 fairies can do quite a lot of healing.

I think a possible solution is to just give succor a bonus(25-50%) to its healing if a new succor shield is not applied.

[Lazarou742]

Because nerfing your fellow healers in a PVE game benefits you right?
I would understand if you ask for nerf based on a pvp competitive game but PVE? lol

May i remind you that its whm who are vehemently against buffing scholars..... because buffing your fellow healers in a pve game hurts you right? Just saying.

[Zaresin]

May i remind you that its whm who are vehemently against buffing scholars..... because buffing your fellow healers in a pve game hurts you right? Just saying.

This made me laugh because it is so true. But to be honest as many who play whm have pointed out, why would they want to give up being top needed healer class when stacking whm clearly makes the content easier compared to stacking scholars.

[davloh]

Good thing I am not one of those whm you mentioned then. I am all for buffs to my fellow healers especially when I team with sch often as well. It's not just those "whm" but those whiny sch that want nerfs to their fellow players in a PvE that is the problem. Less whining, more playing. Just saying

[Zaresin]

It's not just those "whm" but those whiny sch that want nerfs to their fellow players in a PvE that is the problem. Less whining, more playing. Just saying

What I have a problem with is your attitude of someone willing to speak out against the inequality of a class compared to its counterpart. You have one class that actually suffers greatly due to the skill mechanics when ran with two sch as their shields overwrite one another (as well as a useless pet AI). Compare that to whm who actually benefit from the interaction from each other's spells. When doing high level content you have to decide what to bring and I can tell you having more than one of my class who overwrites half of their own skills if more than one is in a group is detrimental to the group. I would rather take the two whm who benefit from each others spells.

Also saying someone is whiney for speaking up is like the wealthy person saying a beggar is being needy.

[davloh]

I have a problem with players asking for nerfs, lets make the game with 1 tank 1 dps 1 heal job so everyone is equal?
Comparing things in a game to real life is legit right?
Anyways i'm all for buffing my fellow scholars, let their shield stack or whatever to help them do their job better, makes my runs easier.
Unless the bulk of the complaints come from certain sore sch that has been rejected by groups constantly, then i would say keep trying/finding groups that want you.
Might be a player issue, when sch i know has no problems getting into runs or raids. Just saying :P

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...he-point/page3

[Zaresin]

I'm not advocating for nerfs or buffs for either side. I just understand where they see coming from and see the point. Sch as described have more utility but less power compared to the whm which is by design. The only issue that I see with the class (don't get me started on that stupid fairy it can get eaten by ifrit) is the shield overwrite. It becomes a detriment to the group when you have more then one sch due to that. That needs to be addressed.

Also you totally missed the meaning behind my comment. I was saying you were being pretentious.

[davloh]

Seems only some subpar sch in particular has issues while the good ones embraced their role and understand/utilize their sch abilities. *see link in my previous post*
I will keep having fun partying with these good sch while supporting their cause to be buffed in some ways so our runs go even smoother in this PVE game.

[Zaresin]

Seems only some subpar sch in particular has issues while the good ones embraced their role and understand/utilize their sch abilities. *see link in my previous post*
I will keep having fun partying with these good sch while supporting their cause to be buffed in some ways so our runs go even smoother in this PVE game.

You still are missing the issue. You're running as your whm with a sch. There isn't an issue here (minus the buggy fairy but that is more of a constant and can be somewhat mitigated by hardware macros). The issue becomes apparent when you have more than one sch in a group due to the shield. That is what people are pissy about. It's not a playstyle issue or a player issue. It's a mechanic issue.

We also do not know if the regen/medica stacking is working as intended as I have not seen any dev post on it. Same could be said for the overwrite of the shield.

[davloh]

I understand the issue about having 2 sch in a 8 man group.
You are missing the point where i keep mentioning, we should buff sch or fix it so they are more useful even in a 2 sch group, instead of just nerfing whm so that the current situation with 2 sch in a group is deemed acceptable.
So whats next after they nerf whm so 2 random terribad sch can get into some groups? Some Whiny whm asking for sch nerfs, rinse and repeat? This will never end, things will never be 100% balanced. This is my point that somehow was missed.
We should work together to fix classes that are lacking so they are more balanced than nerfing 1 class to make things *balanced*.