Turn 5 Downed by JP Group? Exploits or Legit?

[BlossomRose]

Blah blah.

I see no reason to believe you killed all these things "second in the world" without you providing absolute proof of your claims. And since you can't prove you really did it second, since there's no saying how many groups may have been more humble than you and chose not to brag about their kills and just enjoy the game...

Probably all hot air meant to give yourself more importance on the forums.

[Xilrasis]

I see no reason to believe you killed all these things "second in the world" without you providing absolute proof of your claims. And since you can't prove you really did it second, since there's no saying how many groups may have been more humble than you and chose not to brag about their kills and just enjoy the game...

Probably all hot air meant to give yourself more importance on the forums.

Oh, I see. You must be new to MMOs. I apologize that I did not recognize this earlier, but lets be honest... you didn't give me much to work with.

There is no serious guild on the planet (and, mind you, any group with a full group of geared and level capped people in the first week and a half of a game's release is a serious guild) who will put time and effort into reaching this goal AND time and effort into progressing on content well ahead of the curve who will not leverage this to their advantage. There is a substantial recruiting and notoriety advantage that goes along with killing stuff first.

Whether you "believe" we killed something second or not is honestly irrelevant as it does not change the fact that it is true. All evidence points toward this as being the case, whereas you have provided zero evidence to the contrary. Clearly, in the hour between BG's kill and ours, several sneaky guilds slipped through the cracks and BG, in our wonderful relationship with them came to us and revealed the strategy in detail, which we perfected in this hour.

Congratulations on focusing on perhaps the least important detail of my exposition, though.

[Risbyn]

Yes, let me get right on checking and linking the achievements of every single character that plays this game so that I can "prove" that we were indeed second. Instead, my postulate is that since not one single person has claimed or provided evidence otherwise, that it is entirely likely that it is true. Meanwhile, for you to prove this false, you merely need to provide evidence of one single character to the contrary. Have you done so? No. Didn't think so (hint: they don't exist, anyway) The burden of proof is on you, buddy.

The purpose of the "world second" comments were to provide a frame of reference for our good readers in the time gaps between first and second kills, and legacy and non-legacy, since they so conveniently coincide with the discussion. Additionally, they reinforce that due to this status, we approached every encounter with no prior knowledge of what was in front of us. Please feel free to prove me wrong, but all evidence points in my favor.

No offense to your Free Company, Xilrasis, as you do have a lot of our respect, Legacy of Sargatanas have beaten Modified to Turn 1 on 2013-08-31. I believe we've both completed Turn 2 on the same day 2013-09-04 (I think we'd actually need the time of day to figure that one out) and you've overtaken us on Turn 4 as that is for sure 99.9% your world second record. We're not very active on the Lodestone forums as we tend to keep to ourselves mostly, but I only speak to correct you mostly as a matter of personal pride as a member in the Free Company to which I belong.

Edit: I corrected the 100% to 99.9%

[BlossomRose]

Etc.

I wouldn't even be so quick to say "world record", unless you have someone who talks fluent Japanese to go check on the other side of the server border. At most I would say "NA servers record" but even then you can't account for people who keep quiet and see no interest in bragging. Yes, those people exist, even in progression groups. Not every progression group wants to have to deal with constant /tells, questions, people wanting into the FC/LS, etc.

[Risbyn]

I wouldn't even be so quick to say "world record", unless you have someone who talks fluent Japanese to go check on the other side of the server border. At most I would say "NA servers record" but even then you can't account for people who keep quiet and see no interest in bragging. Yes, those people exist, even in progression groups. Not every progression group wants to have to deal with constant /tells, questions, people wanting into the FC/LS, etc.

Still though, I understand where Modified is coming from. Until someone else comes up and says, "Hey, we've done this!", there really is no way of knowing for sure. Best way? Get your name out there. That usually stirs people to come out. There is a lot of prestige that comes from this. I think it's fun, (mostly)friendly, and highly competitive atmosphere with a mixture of pride in this thing we do for "Worlds First". I've read the thread, a poster attacked Modified and pretty much challenged their pride as a Free Company. Xilrasis only defended his/her friends and comrades and rightly so with their achievements.

[Xilrasis]

No offense to your Free Company, Xilrasis, as you do have a lot of our respect, Legacy of Sargatanas have beaten Modified to Turn 1 on 2013-08-31. I believe we've both completed Turn 2 on the same day 2013-09-04 (I think we'd actually need the time of day to figure that one out) and you've overtaken us on Turn 4 as that is for sure 100% your world second record. We're not very active on the Lodestone forums as we tend to keep to ourselves mostly, but I only speak to correct you mostly as a matter of personal pride as a member in the Free Company to which I belong.

Thank you for correcting me on those. I can understand the pride associated with those achievements (obviously!) -- I'll happily modify Caduceus to first non-legacy rather than world second and flip a coin on the ADS date when i'm actually back on my PC.